Is anyone else holding off on purchases?

[slowclinic]

Whenever there's a new release or potential army changing event on the horizon, it tends to influence whether I buy things or not.  With Fall of Cadia bringing a lot of changes, at least fluff-wise, it's putting me off buying a number of Guard models I've been saving up for over a number of months. 

 

For example, I finally got Inquisitor Coteaz for Christmas, and was planning on a platoon with three blobbed up infantry squads for bubblewrap and interception/deterrent. Now that it's likely playing Guard is going to change in some way, I'm a little put off investing in the models... Is this happening to anyone else?

 

On a positive note, I don't see the game changing too much. At least not to the point where all of the recent supplements relevant to us become useless.

[WarriorFish]

I have plenty of Guard models, and still more to finish so I'm holding off anyway. Apart from that it makes sense to wait as new models will no doubt mean new additions ;) I'm trying to hold off on purchases generally as I have a mountain of models that need doing across armies :lol:

 

I think it's normal, for those who have an established army the increasing age of a codex/models means you are less inclined to add more as you have pretty much what you need. Plus saving a bit of money for when GW drops another Made to Order with no warning is no bad thing... :P

[KasrkinRyu]

In a sense yes. I'm trying to build around a certain list, but with so many new formations coming out it seems better to wait. On the flip side it seems since the fall of Cadia the amount of Kasrkin for sale is dwindling and the prices are the highest Ive seen them. Unless is my imagination :P

[slowclinic]

I agree with both the comments. I suppose the only reason I'm still considering it is because I already have a Cadian army, and a platoon of different models would completely throw off the vibe of the army. Also, a platoon is the only thing I don't have. In my weird train of thought, it'd be silly not to buy three infantry squads as I might not have the chance to do so as easily in the future. The rational side of me is yelling that the infantry platoon as we know it might go the journey. Surely, even if Cadia has gone, Guard will always have boots on he ground, right?

[WarriorFish]

I think the Cadian Guard box will be around for a bit as they repackaged it with the GSC box, it seems hard to imagine that being chucked after a short period. Plus the Cadian sprues have aged well so GW could consider them not needing an update (especially looking at the Catachan as the only other plastic range). So I reckon you can wait as if a new Cadian range does emerge the GSC box at the least should hang around?

 

I have plenty of troops already and another 20 odd on the sprue (maybe more?) so I'm keeping them as a reserve. If we do get a new box set I can adapt plans accordingly, though I hope they don't change the aesthetic - ideally just a new cut with poses and weapons etc. There's nothing wrong with any of the Guard designs in my opinion only the shortage of plastic (and a better sculpts in some cases...).

[elmo]

Not holding off because of the Cadia thing but just because I have run out of room to store the backlog I already have and really need to get some space cleared before buying more...

 

This may of course change if something shiny and new comes out ;)

[Lord Marshal]

I'm stocking up on a few of the more niche Cadian models the same way I stocked up on Kasrkin as soon as the Tempestus Scion leaks started appearing.

[duz_]

There's few occasions where I stop purchasing because of rumours.

The only time I might let it effect me is if I've heard rumours directly relating to something I want to buy.

Eg the rumours of a combined admech skitari codex is making me hold off on purchasing either of those. (At least for now ... ;) )

 

As for cadians models or guard in general. Even with the aftermath of cadia I don't think gw will redo any of the current guard like except maybe catachans.

Based on what we've seen lately. I would say they're much more likely to release a brand new line then remodel existing.

So the question becomes do you want to hold of on the purchase to see what new guard line might be released. Or keep with your current army aesthetic of cadians?

[Ulrik_Ironfist]

I have a large backlog of models, and if I'm to be honest, I haven't been working on my army. I found the Solar Auxilia, and My interest in playing guard began to dwindle. Though, now with the Castellans of the Imperium and the ability to play a Mixed faction detachment, it seems I'm more interested. It will be so much easier to play the things I want from my collection. 

 

Still though, I'm holding off because there's not much that I want for my Solar Auxilia (that crosses over to guard) that I don't already own. 

[Stofficus]

I'm more a 30k player at present than 40k - I did recently order some DKoK models I quite like after I sold my original army some time ago, but have no intention on doing anything dramatic aside from a bit if painting here and there while waiting for 8th. 

Fall of Cadia is only part of it - I'm not a big fan of 7th at all in general, and while this first book in the "Not End Times" looks interesting and has some neat options - so did the WFB End Times, and I don't know if GW has learned from the backlash they got in releasing multiple hardcover books only for them to be unusable shortly thereafter. So aside from a few trades, I don't intend on buying anything until I have 8th physically in my hands - and that counts for 30k too, as I don't know where that's going to go either with what, I hope, is a major edition change. 

[Otto von Bludd]

I'm holding off on doing anymore work/purchasing anything for my very sizable Guard force until I see what happens in 8th Edition.  I don't want to pour more time and resources into a force whose future is rather uncertain.  It's not that I believe they will get rid of the Guard, but if they don't make some serious improvements to Guard's rules/formations then I won't have any reason to play my Guard anymore.  I need an army with rules that allow for a plethora of different army types and play styles, regimental doctrines, a big list of fluffy thematic formations, exotic wargear, relics and so forth to satisfy my desire to create exactly the regiment I want. 

 

In the meantime, I've taken to building a custom Space Marine "chapter" focused on scouts and a few elite units in power armor.  I envision this force as not a chapter of Space Marines, but as a private army of elite, genetically enhanced ex guard/scion soldiers produced at the behest of my Inquisitor (similar to the Elysian D-99 for anyone familiar with their fluff).  This allows me to take advantage of the amazing Space Marine Codex and rules while still maintaining the look and flavour of the Guard (I use heavily modified Cadians as my base for my Scout models, and space marine power armor with Scion Beret heads as my basic power armored soldiers), 

 

On that note compare Space Marine Scouts to Guard Veterans and tell me the poor Guard aren't completely outdated!  The poor Guard are so..boring..compared to Space Marines and it shouldn't be this way!

[Brother Castle]

I've only recently got back into the hobby and purchased a sizeable guard force, mostly armour, and as little infantry, as I could I know not very guard, but I did it that way because I don't see GW changing the Chimera or the Leman Russ very much.

 

the above reasons and rumours were taken into consideration, but it was more going off GWs current trend, with angels of death and the chapter specific kits and the recent chaos book and the new Tzeentch and rumoured(maybe just hoped for) Nurgle and Slaanesh, and the hope that the Guard might get the same with the gathering storm. 

 

So that was a round about way of saying no... I very recently spent a fair bit buying guard models, and if they change the model range later, I will probably fork out for that also

[Frater Cornelius]

Though not Guard related, I have laid down 40k for the time being. One reason is that I prefer AoS, but the other is the unknown outlook of certain armies and 8th edition. If GW would tell us what is planned, I would be wiling to expand on some of the unfinishe stuff I have. As it stands, I am selling off all I do not need right now. Not interested to do the hobby under pressure and I do feel pressured by 40k right now.

[WarriorFish]

One thing we can be sure of is that GW will not be touching any Guard vehicles which are either solid or new enough kits. Save perhaps the Valkyrie that could do with a combined Vendetta kit it is the infantry that need the love!

[Frater Cornelius]

One thing we can be sure of is that GW will not be touching any Guard vehicles which are either solid or new enough kits. Save perhaps the Valkyrie that could do with a combined Vendetta kit it is the infantry that need the love!

Valkyrie/Vendetta wouldn't be off given how they added the Stormhawk to the Stormtalon box.

[Hfran Morkai]

If anything I'm more likely to buy as I don't want the Cadians to disappear before I collect enough to convert some Kasrkin up with help from FW/Scions and build a Cadian Mech company thanks to Cadian Blood

[Brother Castle]

One thing we can be sure of is that GW will not be touching any Guard vehicles which are either solid or new enough kits. Save perhaps the Valkyrie that could do with a combined Vendetta kit it is the infantry that need the love!

 

 

 

One thing we can be sure of is that GW will not be touching any Guard vehicles which are either solid or new enough kits. Save perhaps the Valkyrie that could do with a combined Vendetta kit it is the infantry that need the love!

Valkyrie/Vendetta wouldn't be off given how they added the Stormhawk to the Stormtalon box.

 

 

I wold like to see the Russ variants put in one box, and maybe the addition (or re-inclusion) of things like dozer blades and track guards for them and the chimaeras.

[Joe]

From an infantry perspective, I'd be happy if they ditched the Cadian's (sorry) and created one or two general assembly and upgrade kits with enough variety to come up with a handful of different styles. Mind you, I'd like it if they brought back the regimental trait system; throw in some variety for abhuman regiments, penal legions, etc.

[our_baz]

Rumours in general don't stop me purchasing new gear. Large backlogs in all my armies and the look Mrs our_baz gives me when I bring home more plastic is usually more than enough to stop me.

[ZaelART]

I always liked the plastic Cadians but they are getting a little dated now and I would like to see more diversity. I still might pick some up but I'll probably go for Tempestus Scions before Imperial Guard purely because I'd like to wait and see if there are any big changes (+/- new models) coming. Also, the Militarum Tempestus start collecting box is vastly superior to the Astra Militarum box in my opinion. It would be really nice for them to release some new kits and a nice new start collecting box but there haven't been any rumours to suggest that will be any time soon.

[Ulfast]

I´m just starting a AM army but as I will build a Vostroyan army I´m not stopping. THe opposite as I think as it´s an bigger chance Vostroyans runs out then Cadians.

[WarriorFish]

That is true, if you're going for the metal ranges don't hold back. I'm still hoping there'll be a return run on the Made to Order, sort of a "last chance" or "best of the best" because as the first run the Guard one was very badly managed with no warning.

[Joe]

I'm hoping that the Tallarn, Steel Legion and Vostroyan's make the transition to plastic kits. Everything else could be picked up by Forge World, but those are definitely the groups that ought to be representing the Imperial Guard range alongside the Cadian's.

[ZaelART]

If GW release a new plastic kit, I think it will be just one type of uniform.

 

Great coats, dress uniforms, combat fatigues or ... other.

 

Knowing that you need modular kits to add heavy weapons, specialists, officers, platoon and company command units, not to mention drivers, pilots and tank crews. That would be way too many plastic kits if they wanted to have all of those options and cover even the limited diversity of regiments that already have models.

 

They probably need to adjust the look of some regiments slightly and offer a standard uniform kit for the basic infantry and all the trimmings alongside a range of upgrade sprues to create different regiments (it should include arms, accessories, heads, lasguns at least).

 

The question is, what basic guard uniform will allow for the greatest diversity of regiments to be created using upgrade sprues?

 

For example, a basic kit with great coats might get you Death Korps, Steel Legion, Vostroyans and Valhallans with upgrade sprues.

 

A basic kit with dress uniforms will get you Mordians and Praetorians.

 

Combat fatigues might get you Elysians, Cadians, Tallarns and Catachans at a push - if they decided to wear short / rolled sleeves instead of vests.

 

But then again, even with the best upgrade sprue possible, the individuality of the regiments might still be diluted somewhat.

 

Definitely interesting to speculate on what might happen, hopefully GW can pull something great out the bag, they have been on a roll recently in my opinion.

 

Hopefully when Necromunda is re-released it should provide some good options for Hive-World ex-ganger, Penal and Renegade regiments.

[slowclinic]

Good to see how this post has shaped up while I was away. I shared a similar post on the AM Facebook group, and a little salty bickering aside, the responses were interesting. One thing we could all agree on was that is the Cadian models don't receive a new kit, some sort of upgrades would be welcomed. I suggested some way of implementing female heads on some kind of additional upgrade sprue. Like a Veterans upgrade sprue with a selection of heads, additional special weapons and the like. I highly doubt it will happen, but it would be good.

 

I don't think any of the tanks will be changing - not only are they classic models, there isn't really much that can be done with the kits. IMHO, the tanks are fine. 

 

Another thing I put forward was some sort of Psykana box. Needing to field at least five Wyrdvane Psykers in a unit and only having blisters of three metal models isn't ideal. Plus, there's enough people putting the related Imperial Agents Psyker formation in games to justify such a kit.