Plasmablasts Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Good to see how this post has shaped up while I was away. I shared a similar post on the AM Facebook group, and a little salty bickering aside, the responses were interesting. One thing we could all agree on was that is the Cadian models don't receive a new kit, some sort of upgrades would be welcomed. I suggested some way of implementing female heads on some kind of additional upgrade sprue. Like a Veterans upgrade sprue with a selection of heads, additional special weapons and the like. I highly doubt it will happen, but it would be good. I don't think any of the tanks will be changing - not only are they classic models, there isn't really much that can be done with the kits. IMHO, the tanks are fine. Another thing I put forward was some sort of Psykana box. Needing to field at least five Wyrdvane Psykers in a unit and only having blisters of three metal models isn't ideal. Plus, there's enough people putting the related Imperial Agents Psyker formation in games to justify such a kit. It occurred to me that, as GW likes making dual kits, the most likely pairing for plastic Wyrdvanes would be Ministorum Priests, as both could use a basic robed figure. Whether some of our more hard-line Ecclesiarchy colleagues would countenance their priests sharing a sprue with mutant witches is another question... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4625315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 That would be cool, but feels a bit too niche. Certainly would feel like a waste to have one of the "slots" for a new kit for Guard be something that could easily be done for C:IA or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4625322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 I'm holding off on doing anymore work/purchasing anything for my very sizable Guard force until I see what happens in 8th Edition. I don't want to pour more time and resources into a force whose future is rather uncertain. It's not that I believe they will get rid of the Guard, but if they don't make some serious improvements to Guard's rules/formations then I won't have any reason to play my Guard anymore. I need an army with rules that allow for a plethora of different army types and play styles, regimental doctrines, a big list of fluffy thematic formations, exotic wargear, relics and so forth to satisfy my desire to create exactly the regiment I want. In the meantime, I've taken to building a custom Space Marine "chapter" focused on scouts and a few elite units in power armor. I envision this force as not a chapter of Space Marines, but as a private army of elite, genetically enhanced ex guard/scion soldiers produced at the behest of my Inquisitor (similar to the Elysian D-99 for anyone familiar with their fluff). This allows me to take advantage of the amazing Space Marine Codex and rules while still maintaining the look and flavour of the Guard (I use heavily modified Cadians as my base for my Scout models, and space marine power armor with Scion Beret heads as my basic power armored soldiers), On that note compare Space Marine Scouts to Guard Veterans and tell me the poor Guard aren't completely outdated! The poor Guard are so..boring..compared to Space Marines and it shouldn't be this way! Sounds like Spartan 2s (power armor) and 3s (carapace). Awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4625443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ed Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I absolutely am holding off. Not really based on rumors, but just reality: The Guard codex is ancient and the game is about ready to morph on it again. Sinking hundreds of dollars into a list that may be obsolete in a timeline measured by weeks seems...imprudent. My hobby time and dollars are *very* limited and wait-and-see approach just makes sense, even if 8th Edition is very similar and no new codex materializes. I mean, look at what Fall of Cadia did to Imperial listbuilding. Cawl, Celestine, and Greyfax can all find homes across the Armies of the Imperium. To say nothing of Castellans of the Imperium, which threw the doors of loyalist listbuilding wide-open. In the meantime, painting a few staples (no matter what, I'm gonna need guardsmen, Chimeras, Russes, etc.) and watching for too-good-to-pass-up deals seems like the best course of action as we wait to see what kind of game 8th Edition will deliver to us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4626230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I feel like guard would benefit from getting the Renegades & Heretics treatment in that regard; if a squad/platoon that numbers above x models, on a roll of 4+/5+ should return to the game as ongoing reserves. I'd compensate by dropping the price of dedicated transports and infantry, whilst increasing the cost of tanks. That and the regiment trait/specialisation table from older editions. Bring that back, with pre-existing regiments like the Cadian's or Catachan's having existing traits, then let people build their own stuff. It'd be a great way for Ward to tinker with special rules, which to be perfectly honest is one of his strengths. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4626309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Let Ward work on the rules, his rules are usually pretty interesting... but, dear Emperor, don't let that man go anywhere near the fluff! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4626348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inso Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I am not holding off and have just bought a counts-as Chimera (Tamiya 1/35 German half-track). There have been so many times where stuff has changed that i have resigned myself to either sticking with the past or changing stuff as the Codex changes. Can't really go wrong with infantry and Chimeras though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4626374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulkansDynasty Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 It's not so much that I'm holding off on buying new stuff, it's the fact that the line is old and I'm hoping for new things. I also have a metric tonne of plastic still to be painted between my Guard, Necrons, Salamanders, Tau, and Chaos....Plus a bunch of Forgeworld things to work on inbetween. The upside is the Fall of Cadia book added the new formation which lets me stick any of my guard stuff in my Marine army and make some very interesting army lists. An almost all tank army =O ....which makes me want to buy more tanks. and a stormlord to carry a bunch of dudes in.... Overall I can certainly see the Imperial Guard getting a new line, maybe not a HUGE one, but new infantry, a multi box that builds different officers/priests/Primaris Psyker, and just maybe a shifting of the units so that something like Ogryns become a good unit (or maybe the ogryns get the squat). The tanks will probably not change at all, since they're iconic, and functional. The Tank kits are the best in the Game, with many options and most of the time I see people grabbing the Leman Russ kit before ever buying a box of troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4626540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Hermit Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I have so much stuff in the 'waiting-for-attention' pile that I've honestly stopped buying anything GW for the better half of a year I did, however, get a $50 GW Gift Card for Christmas so that's burning a hole in my wallet right now I might just end up using it on the Blood Bowl stuff, though maybe or maybe some more Ogryns as I do like me some Ogryns Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4629067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Considering they're opposites, this topic and another have a lot in common it seems With what we're hearing I'm not sure when Guard may get a new codex. I know there are a few books that are surely at the front of the queue too, it might depend on how much release time the campaign books take up? Even if they are to run for the rumoured two years I can't see them taking all the 40k focus, there's got to be normal releases in between. Plus formations are future proofed (mostly) by referring to unit names only, so they can roll with updates easily. Could be a very interesting year, hold on to your munitorum issue hats! Which is a good idea anyway, as if you lose it you get 50 lashes and the replacement comes out of your pay... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4629081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 the replacement comes out of your pay... We get paid? I wasn't aware of this... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4629092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Of course you do! For the privilege of serving the Emperor on the battle field you earn the daily wage of 0! That's a whopping total of 0 across the average Guardsman's service (Veteran companies can expect a percentage more on top!) - all this on top of the honour of fighting in His Guard. It is little wonder that the Guard is made up of countless billions, for with rewards like that who would consider another career? Only boring paper pushers, that's who, and nobody cares about them. Sign up today! See the galaxy! Get your own laser gun*! * lease agreement only. Damage or loss of any munitorum issue equipment is deducted from pay. Failure to pay promptly will result in your case being presented to the commissariat for processing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4629124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 A couple Leman Russes I have been meaning to pick-up forever and a Commissar Tank Commander from FW. Otherwise I don't plan on getting anything else for the Guard for a while. More of a personal choice, since how I build and play my guard has altered drastically from when I first started: original inspiration was WW1, and now my force plays more like late WW2. Uncertainty about 8th Edition or the Cadian 8th confirms my decision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4629173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 It'd be interesting if, in the event they chose to replace the Cadian line, they dug up some of the older sketches from way back. http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/gallery/img/2008/11/30/10375_sm.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4630612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Hermit Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I do like those old sketches. Reminds me of my old, old days (back playing 2nd Ed.) when I turned a whole mess of my Necromunda minis into what I was calling a PDF detachment for my first Guard army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4630789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Ibram Gaunt Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yes but that's because the Death Korp Grenadiers are getting their mold/master fixed.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4632812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Master Flex Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yes but that's because the Death Korp Grenadiers are getting their mold/master fixed.... Have they given any timescale on this? After seeing them the other week I REALLY wanted to get some but they're still out of stock at the moment. In the meantime I've got myself some Skitarii rangers, a Knight, a Bastion scenery piece and the triumvirate to paint to go along with my scions. It seems like they're gonna drop alot of new kit this year and I don't wanna blow a load of money incase any new/revamped guard bits come out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4632910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Shift Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 The lower of those sketches is what I would want reimagined guard to look like - although the necromunda spyders are also pretty cool. I've moved to stormtroopers for expanding my guard as I'm certain they will remain. They also work well as inquisition troops if you want to go imperial agents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4632917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaelART Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Speaking of stormtroopers, I feel the overwhelming urge to kitbash some Kasrkin. Great time to build some as we all know the combat effectiveness of a regiment only increases with the destruction of their home world. Scions and forgeworld Cadian HE kit? I really like the ones that come with the torso/head/back pack combined but haven't seen anyone use them for this purpose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4636240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 The rebreather helmets go a long way for the Kasrkin look, so it should work quite well :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4636275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I am literally just waiting for Anvil Industries to release their trencher line, then I am buying a whole platoon.Until then I am focusing on my other armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4636603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Shouldn't be too long, as I spotted their mask heads today? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4636799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 That's good news. I ordered 10 Cold Ones for my Rough Riders, so once I get an Infantry platoon I should have the basis of a force. Just need to repaint my sentinels and finish my malcador. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4636848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Shouldn't be too long, as I spotted their mask heads today? Late February/early March, according to a discussion on Facebook. Anvil and Mad Robot are doing wonders for the Astra Militarum community right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4636892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoK Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I'm concentrating on 30K at the moment. Unless some awesome models come out that I just have to have. I'll wait till 8th for my big purchases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329830-is-anyone-else-holding-off-on-purchases/page/2/#findComment-4636970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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