Indefragable Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Quick question with potentially long answers: What do we know about the IX Legion before their reunification with Sanguinius? Hand-in-hand with that question is what sources really go into those details? Thanks in advance. -Indy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 We know that they had a chapter called the "Hell Riders", which is cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4638473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 BA Biker Chapter! I thought there was some info in the codex but I'm guessing you checked there :D I'll let the wiser lore masters chime in... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4638522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Pretty much nothing as FW haven't really explored them yet. We do know that the legion was very hard to create and Sanguinius being around made the process easier but it still has a crazy high fail rate as BA undergo mad transformation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4638553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 We know that they had a chapter called the "Hell Riders", which is cool. Just too badass. Reminds me of this: http://battlerattle.marinecorpstimes.com/2012/07/18/motorcycle-borne-marsoc-marines-prey-on-taliban/ Pretty much nothing as FW haven't really explored them yet. We do know that the legion was very hard to create and Sanguinius being around made the process easier but it still has a crazy high fail rate as BA undergo mad transformation. Gotcha. So I haven't really missed anything then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4638594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Not really. Basically, from what we have they've always been pure awesome, and it only got better with time. Blood Angels are like a fine Blood Wine. The more time goes by, the better they get. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4638715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 Not really. Basically, from what we have they've always been pure awesome, and it only got better with time. Blood Angels are like a fine Blood Wine. The more time goes by, the better they get. I was gonna say its made from stomping grapes heads? I am really intrigued by what Angelus may show us. Emphasis on show. I feel like FW, Black Library, and GW proper all know how awesome BA are, but aren't quite sure how to show it. I am really hoping that everything BA in 40k post-Matt Ward has been testing the waters and experimenting, leading up to Angelus showing what 30k BA are like, which then leads to a [modern] 40k version that really does them justice and can hold its own in the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4638815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I'm hopeful of this too. I think the FW design team getting their teeth into 30k BA can only have positive repercussions for 40k BA... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4638904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Well if the small snippets we got from the last HH book and posters are anything to go by, they've already hit the nail on the head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4638943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Agreed. Can't wait for Angelus! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4639016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Well if the small snippets we got from the last HH book and posters are anything to go by, they've already hit the nail on the head. By snippets do you mean the Rites of War for 30k and whatnot? And the holdover rules like ENCARMINE FURY? Also, what posters? Maybe a new thread to catalog all this stuff? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4639077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 If traitor legions has showed us anything, it's that GW can still come up with characterful and (most importantly) fun rules for a bunch of legions that were identical rules wise.the main Dex, however, still needs a massive overhaul. I want to see what they can come up with to bring the BA back into line. I'm thinking part 3 of the 13th crusade might involve a new chaos codex, part 4 a new BA codex. Edit: sorry, all massively off topic! It would be interesting to see what aspects of the BA they explore in the books. The BA have so far been criminally under represented in the BL heresy series. The route they seem to be approaching is full on, avenging angel, fire and brimstone stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4639090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Well if the small snippets we got from the last HH book and posters are anything to go by, they've already hit the nail on the head. By snippets do you mean the Rites of War for 30k and whatnot? And the holdover rules like ENCARMINE FURY? Also, what posters? Maybe a new thread to catalog all this stuff? There is a thread, here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4639103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM1981 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I know this has been said before but I really don't want the next BA codex to be an early 8th edition release. That would make it one of the first on the ground in the new system and to an extent an experiment for the rules team. The fallout from that is that as they get more familiar with the landscape they are crafting the codex's they put out get better (and in some cases more OP) and we suffer creep. I'd rather wait a bit more and have a rule set that feels fluffy, is fun, and competitive (not instant win, but genuinely able to claim parity), then rush for a fix which turns out just to be an elongation of the current situation. But back on point... Im also really looking forward to what FW do for us. The stuff they churned out for the Custodes was great and had a real renaissance feel too. If they can channel and further explore that we could be in for a real treat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4639109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LutherMax Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Agreed - it would be totally unfair to do to us what they did before again (unintentional though it may have been last time). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4639121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen IX Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 From our 40k codex and the small forge world snippets we've seen the info I have is thus. Previous name before Sanguinius, Hell Riders Propensity for highly aggressive, lightning assault tactics. Our codex spoke of them as fighting alongside the Emperor as his vanguard and exemplifying all it meant to be an Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4639188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 From our 40k codex and the small forge world snippets we've seen the info I have is thus. Previous name before Sanguinius, Hell Riders Propensity for highly aggressive, lightning assault tactics. Our codex spoke of them as fighting alongside the Emperor as his vanguard and exemplifying all it meant to be an Astartes. He'll riders was just the name of a chapter within the Legion, not the Legion name. Where's the bit about emperors vanguard, pretty sure the Legion known for specifically fighting alongside the Emperor were the DA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4639196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 From our 40k codex and the small forge world snippets we've seen the info I have is thus. Previous name before Sanguinius, Hell Riders Propensity for highly aggressive, lightning assault tactics. Our codex spoke of them as fighting alongside the Emperor as his vanguard and exemplifying all it meant to be an Astartes. He'll riders was just the name of a chapter within the Legion, not the Legion name. Where's the bit about emperors vanguard, pretty sure the Legion known for specifically fighting alongside the Emperor were the DA I do recall the vanguard thing and it's probably just older fluff. The DA will have in the unification wars, but in the stars on crusade it was probably the BA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4639203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafen IX Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 It's straight from our current codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4639209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkni Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Where's the bit about emperors vanguard, pretty sure the Legion known for specifically fighting alongside the Emperor were the DA I do recall the vanguard thing and it's probably just older fluff. The DA will have in the unification wars, but in the stars on crusade it was probably the BA. It's why the sanguinary guard wear gold, is it not? I'll go quote hunting, but I thought we'd (briefly?) had the honour of serving as big E's bodyguard at some point - subsequently being allowed to wear gold similarly to EC getting eagles... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4640773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkni Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 It's straight from our current codex Yup: “So it was that the Great Crusade surged onwards as never before. New battlefronts opened up under the Primarchs’ direction and worlds were reclaimed by the thousand. Throughout it all, the Blood Angels and their Primarch, Sanguinius, fought at the Emperor’s side, serving as honour guard to their beloved creator.” Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4640784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 It's straight from our current codex Yup: “So it was that the Great Crusade surged onwards as never before. New battlefronts opened up under the Primarchs’ direction and worlds were reclaimed by the thousand. Throughout it all, the Blood Angels and their Primarch, Sanguinius, fought at the Emperor’s side, serving as honour guard to their beloved creator.” huh, never noticed that, wonder if angelus will cover any of that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4640788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Hyperbole, I think. We know Horus spent a lot of time with bigE, and that the Emperor went home 3/4 of the way through. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4641388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 It was like what, a hundred or two long? So all legions probably exaggerate their time with the big E. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4641395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 To be completely honest, we don't actually know a whole lot about Sanguinius (or many other Primarchs) at the moment. We have snapshots of his time on Baal, rediscovery, the fact that he was a Ullanor (but not what he did there), the joint campaign with Horus against the xenos at the opening of Fear to Tread (forget what it's called), the war on Murder, Signus Prime, Imperium Secondus, and then somehow Siege of Terra. My point is there are some pretty big gaps between rediscovery and Ullanor, and everything leading up to Murder (or even Signus Prime-ish), so can we definitively state that the IX were or were not doing anything? We're missing the "Luminous Mysteries" parts, if you will. #isitAngelusyet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330418-lore-question-ix-legion-pre-sanguinius/#findComment-4641820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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