montambro Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 ROW primarch's chosen Force Org: Crusader HQ: Perturabo Forgebreaker [490] Damocles command Rhino [100] Troops: (7) Cataphractii Terminators 3 x Chainfist (1 on sergeant), 2x Power Axes, 2x Twin Lightning Claws, 2 x combi plasma [309] (7) Cataphractii Terminators 3 x Chainfist (1 on sergeant), 2 x Power Axes, 2x Twin Lightning Claws, 2 x combi plasma [309] (6) Cataphractii Terminators 3 x Chainfist (1 on sergeant), 2 x Power Axes, 2 x power swords 2 x combi meltas [249] Fast Attack: Primaris-Lightning 2x Kraken, BSC, GTA [230] Heavy: (7) Tyrant Siege Terminators 2 x Chainfist [455] (2) Legion Medusa [310] Deredeo Aiolos [220] World Eaters Allied Detachment HQ: WE Legion Forge Lord artificer armor, servo arm refractor field power axe chain axe rad grenades- during the turn in which a unit equipped with rad grenades assaults or is assaulted, the enemy unit (s) suffers a -1 penalty to toughness until the end of the assault phase. This coupled with +1 strength with chain axes, as well as furious charge from Perturabo's relentless strategist in enemy deployment zone will be insane.) melta bombs [125] Troops: (20) Tactical Squad Chain Axes Bolt Pistols, Vexilla Power Fist; Artificer Armor, melta bombs [265] Heavy: Spartan Dozer Blade, Flare Shield, Armored Ceramite, Heavy Flamer [385] 3502 pts. need to shave some off. Tactics: Perturabo will allow reserves to come in on turn one. With Command rhino they will not scatter and have +1 for rolls to come on. T1 termies, tyrant siege bros, and pert come in behind cover or obscured. shoot combi weapons and what they can. Lightning goes tank hunting. Medusa's and siege terminators work on tanks, transports, heavy units. Spartan charges forward. T2 deredeo serves as anti Air. Terminators, and WE's move and get ready for assault. Pert uses his orbital bombardment. More medusa and siege termi action. Perturabo confers furious charge due to the relentless strategist special rule to his whole army (not just iron warriors but allies as well) when within enemy deployment zone. Assault enemy lines with both termies and WE. - cheers thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dallo Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Any chance you could find 3 points from your Iron Warriors to add to your World Eaters? I think your inner Khornate would appreciate it. Dallo P.S. Welcome to B&C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Gahlan Surlak is a Support Officer. He cannot be a Compulsory HQ, not even as an Ally. Otherwise, looks brutal! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Thanks a lot for the help and advice. Here is the list. Let me know what ya think Row: primarchs chosen Force org: crusade HQ: Perturabo Forgebreaker [490] Damocles Rhino [100] Troops: (7) Cataphractii Terminators Chainfist on sergeant, 4 x Power Axes, 2x Twin Lightning Claws, Grenade Harness [285] (7) Cataphractii Terminators Chainfist on sergeant, 4 x Power Axes, 2x Twin Lightning Claws, Grenade Harness [285] (7) Cataphractii Terminators Chainfist on sergeant, 4x Power Axes, 2x Twin Lightning Claws, Grenade Harness [285] Fast Attack: Primaris-Lightning 2x Kraken, BSC, GTA [230] Heavy: (8) Tyrant Siege Terminators 2x chain fist [455] (2) Legion Medusa [310] Deredeo Aiolos [220] World Eaters Allied Detachment HQ: 85 pt WE Legion centurion (had to pick him because surlak is a support officer...) Artificer armor Refractor field Power axe Gahlen Surlak [110] Troops: (20) Tactical Squad Chain Axes & Bolt Pistols, Vexilla Power Fist & Artificer Armor Inductii [260] Heavy: Spartan Dozer Blade, Flare Shield, Armored Ceramite, Heavy Flamer [385] [885] 3500 total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Can't have 2 HQs in an allied detachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_en_oh_pee Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Can't have 2 HQs in an allied detachment. Yea, with that annoying Support Officer thing with Surlak, I would say just go for a kitted out Consul of some sort and an Apothecary on the side. See if you can maybe squeeze in a MM/CML Javelin after! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Thanks a lot! Here are the correctionsRow: primarchs chosenForce org: crusadeHQ:PerturaboForgebreaker[490]Damocles Rhino[100]Troops:(7) Cataphractii Terminators2 x chainfist, 2 x Power Axes, 2x Twin Lightning ClawsSergeantChainfist/combi bolter[295](7) Cataphractii Terminators2 x chainfist, 2 x Power Axes, 2x Twin Lightning ClawsSergeantChainfist/combi bolter[295](7) Cataphractii Terminators2 x chainfist, 2 x Power Axes, 2x Twin Lightning ClawsSergeantChainfist/combi bolter[295]Fast Attack:Primaris-Lightning2x Kraken, BSC, GTA[230]Heavy:(8) Tyrant Siege Terminators2x chain fist[455](2) Legion Medusa[310]DeredeoAiolos[220]World Eaters Allied DetachmentHQ:125 pt WE Forge Lord Rad grenades-(during the turn in which a unit equipped with rad grenades assaults or is assaulted, the enemy unit (s) suffers a -1 penalty to toughness until the end of the assault phase. This coupled with +1 strength with chain axes, as well as furious charge from Perturabo's relentless strategist in enemy deployment zone will be insane.)Power Axe chain AxeArtificer armorRefractor fieldMelta bombsElites:55 pt WE legion apothecaryArtificer armorTroops:(20) Tactical SquadChain Axes & Bolt Pistols, VexillaPower Fist & Artificer Armor, melta bonbs[265]Heavy:SpartanDozer Blade, Flare Shield, Armored Ceramite, Heavy Flamer[385] 3520 points. need to shave a little off. But like it so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Also it says for perturabo under sire of the iron warriors. "That all models with the legion astartes (iron warriors) special rule in the same aemt as perturabo gain the stubborn special rule." Later it states for logos that terminators pf any type with the (iron warriors) get deep strike. Both these rules lay a precident. That their is a specification for rule given if they have iron warriors special rule. But under relentless strategist their is no specification for the addition of furious charge. It just says units in the army with perturabo get it. So do my allied WE get furious charge in the enemies deployment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 "Relentless Strategist" says it applies to the whole army, so I think it does! :) S6 World Eaters (on the charge) even without them being Inductii! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 Thats awesome! Def opens up doors for fun fluffy allies with perturabo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantraxx Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Thats awesome! Def opens up doors for fun fluffy allies with perturabo! It would be great to throw them in a Kharybdis... To get extra nasty use a full AOD list to gain a Delegatus and Surlak, Crimson path ROW for your World Eaters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_en_oh_pee Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Thats awesome! Def opens up doors for fun fluffy allies with perturabo! Delegatus?! No way! If he is going full World Eaters, got to do Khârn! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 AOD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_en_oh_pee Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 AOD? Age of Darkness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantraxx Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 AOD? Age of Darkness Yeah so instead of an allied detachment, go for another full Age of Darkness detachment but you will need 2 troops choices instead of 1. Was thinking Delegatus (or Khârn thx em_en_oh_pee) for the Crimson path ROW that giives you +1 FNP. These guys will need to be in the enemy deployment to gain the furious charge bonus so if you go full hog you can fly in turn 1, land turn 2 and assault. If Surlak is in the unit and you are in the deployment zone that unit will have a 3+ FNP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangaman Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 AOD? Age of Darkness Yeah so instead of an allied detachment, go for another full Age of Darkness detachment but you will need 2 troops choices instead of 1. Was thinking Delegatus (or Khârn thx em_en_oh_pee) for the Crimson path ROW that giives you +1 FNP. These guys will need to be in the enemy deployment to gain the furious charge bonus so if you go full hog you can fly in turn 1, land turn 2 and assault. If Surlak is in the unit and you are in the deployment zone that unit will have a 3+ FNP... I may be missing something here but how do you take TWO AoD detachments in the same army list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantraxx Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 AOD? Age of Darkness Yeah so instead of an allied detachment, go for another full Age of Darkness detachment but you will need 2 troops choices instead of 1. Was thinking Delegatus (or Khârn thx em_en_oh_pee) for the Crimson path ROW that giives you +1 FNP. These guys will need to be in the enemy deployment to gain the furious charge bonus so if you go full hog you can fly in turn 1, land turn 2 and assault. If Surlak is in the unit and you are in the deployment zone that unit will have a 3+ FNP... I may be missing something here but how do you take TWO AoD detachments in the same army list? Very good point, it is dependent on mission being played as stated on page pg9 of our armylist. I am usually playing against cheeseball 40k armies rather than fluffy 30k armies so i use a regular CAD rather than the AOD list. My mistake and i should have been clearer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
em_en_oh_pee Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 AOD? Age of Darkness Yeah so instead of an allied detachment, go for another full Age of Darkness detachment but you will need 2 troops choices instead of 1. Was thinking Delegatus (or Khârn thx em_en_oh_pee) for the Crimson path ROW that giives you +1 FNP. These guys will need to be in the enemy deployment to gain the furious charge bonus so if you go full hog you can fly in turn 1, land turn 2 and assault. If Surlak is in the unit and you are in the deployment zone that unit will have a 3+ FNP... I may be missing something here but how do you take TWO AoD detachments in the same army list? You can't, that I am aware of. You get one Primary, one Allied (RoW permiting), and maybe a Fortification (also RoW permiting). I will have to dig into the rulebooks for it, but I am rather sure on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share Posted February 2, 2017 Yeah I was under the impression just one primary detatchment and an allied one. I originally wanted Khârn and or surlak with a praetor. But was told only allied detatchment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantraxx Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Yeah I was under the impression just one primary detatchment and an allied one. I originally wanted Khârn and or surlak with a praetor. But was told only allied detatchment 100% correct... i play in a 40K meta so use a CAD,, i totally forgot you can only have 1 :( Khârn + apothecary + 18 despoilers (sgt with powerfist and art. armour) in a Kharybdis is awesomesauce and i guess the only ROW you actually need is Beserker Assault ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TompiQ Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Slightly late to the party, but an incredible replacement for Surlak is a Forge Lord with Rad Grenades and a normal apothecary. You still get exhortations of butchery, and -1T is stronger than +1S, especially if you're already S6 on the charge due to Perturabo. ID everything! The downside is more points and a lesser fnp, but it retains the chomp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 I made the corrections to the original list. Should serve well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I'm wondering why you are taking such large numbers of deep striking terminators, but no combi weapons on them. Combi weapons are one of the greatest uses of deep striking terminators, it gives you a lot more firepower and something for your terminators to do in the turn they drop in, so why miss out on that? I'd give two units combi plas, maybe one combi melta. Drop a terminator from each unit and you can find the pts. Losing the one model is definetly worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 I made some changes. Let me know what ya think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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