Best Ways To Deal With AV14 By Shooting

[ThatOneMarshal]

How would a medusa do if you weren't hitting it from the front? I'm considering getting one. Otherwise it seems like the las vindi is better.

[Reyner]

Doesn't the Ultramarines rule require you to have Legiones Astartes (Ultramarines) to benefit from the re-roll? I thought other units were only able to trigger them, not benefit from them?

Ah crap good point, think you are right there. Shame.

[Jarkaira]

Single Medusa won't do much even with a side hit. S10 means 2/6 pens and 1/6 glances per hit. If we assume that higher 90% to hit then it would be 45% possibility to chew up a hull point and 5% for explosion if I calculated it right in my head.

 

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As my own miniature collection (as well as others in our gaming club) will grow I'll start doing Will It Wreck? videos in which I put a Spartan and a single choice from my calculations into terrain and let the dice do their magic and check what happens.

[TompiQ]

The issue with relying on dice results in such videos is that you're left at the whims of RNGesus. We must've all experienced a single lascannon shot blowing up the most impenetrable of metal boxes sometime during our career, no?

 

As pure entertainment I suppose it works, but such videos lack any practical use beyond that unless you do hundreds of attempts with the same setup. :P

[Jarkaira]

I did say magic. I'll edit the dice rolling to look like single instance but instead I have picked an average result :)

 

Or just use it for the entertainment part and give out statistics in the end part of the videos. Haven't decided yet and it depends pretty much on if I can find someone who sells loaded dice which have other options than just the 6 coming up always.

[Sanct]

In my World, where math is a creepy stranger, it works like this:

If three dudes fire their Meltas one will miss. Unless the target has a Flare Shield both will penetrate and with two dice with AP1 on the chart I have a 50:50 Chance to kill that tank.

That means six dudes should kill it.

You're saying for 60% of the time they both pen 100% of the time??

Yes, in my experience they kill a tank on a 50:50 ratio.

Without AC, of course. If I take 6 Meltas it gonna die.

Sure, there are times, where that doesn’t happen, but there are also times where 3 HSS dudes with Volkite Culverines kill 5 Jumper in overwatch.

I'm asking how you get 2 melta shots to pen all the time when it's about 60% chance for each. (7+ on 2 dice)

Single Medusa won't do much even with a side hit. S10 means 2/6 pens and 1/6 glances per hit. If we assume that higher 90% to hit then it would be 45% possibility to chew up a hull point and 5% for explosion if I calculated it right in my head.

medusa is ordnance no?

[Jarkaira]

My bad and that will up the result to 70% probability for losing a single hull point.

[Gorgoff]

Yes, in my experience they kill a tank on a 50:50 ratio.

Without AC, of course. If I take 6 Meltas it gonna die.

Sure, there are times, where that doesn’t happen, but there are also times where 3 HSS dudes with Volkite Culverines kill 5 Jumper in overwatch. ;)

I'm asking how you get 2 melta shots to pen all the time when it's about 60% chance for each. (7+ on 2 dice)

 

Didn't I tell the world just recently, that I don't like math and therefore speak out of my humble experience?

I thought so... and Yes, I did. ;)

I don't know about your numbers Mumbo Jambo but I do know how to blow a tank up in a game.

And if two out of three Marines with Meltas hit, I know that I have a roughly 50:50 chance to kill it. Half of the time it will only lose some hullpoints or gets shaken or uninteresting stuff like that but half the time it's dead. But is it a sure dead tank?

Hell no.

50:50 is crap because the three Meltas might fire once in the game and I get that half of a chance in which the vehicle only loses some HP and the other half in another game. So I max my chances out and try it with six Melta shots.

That's the way I do that. And looking at the chart the good sir made for us, it kinda is what they numbers show us. :)

[BrainCandy]

Yes, in my experience they kill a tank on a 50:50 ratio.

Without AC, of course. If I take 6 Meltas it gonna die.

Sure, there are times, where that doesn’t happen, but there are also times where 3 HSS dudes with Volkite Culverines kill 5 Jumper in overwatch.

I'm asking how you get 2 melta shots to pen all the time when it's about 60% chance for each. (7+ on 2 dice)

Didn't I tell the world just recently, that I don't like math and therefore speak out of my humble experience?

I thought so... and Yes, I did.

I don't know about your numbers Mumbo Jambo but I do know how to blow a tank up in a game.

And if two out of three Marines with Meltas hit, I know that I have a roughly 50:50 chance to kill it. Half of the time it will only lose some hullpoints or gets shaken or uninteresting stuff like that but half the time it's dead. But is it a sure dead tank?

Hell no.

50:50 is crap because the three Meltas might fire once in the game and I get that half of a chance in which the vehicle only loses some HP and the other half in another game. So I max my chances out and try it with six Melta shots.

That's the way I do that. And looking at the chart the good sir made for us, it kinda is what they numbers show us.

You may not like Math but Math does not care and continues to exist.

However, in this case you anecdotal opinion isn't far off of Math. If three Marines with Melta's shoot at an AV14, non-AC equipped vehicle inside of melta range, they have roughly a 39% chance to kill it outright. That's not 50%, but it's close enough for government work I suppose.

[Gorgoff]

See?

I have a wonderful, wonderful brain and O can understand and... comprehend... stuff... way more better then other people do. ;)

 

Jokes aside I was pretty pleased that my (granted) anecdotal experience is really close to what math says.

I wonder how good is a BF5 HSS with Lascannons and re-rolling of ones in taking out vehicles with AV 14?

Can anyone mathhammer that for me?

[Jarkaira]

Five BS5 guys with lascannons rerolling ones to hit do 1.62 hull points worth of damage. If they would have tank hunter it would be 2.73 hull points.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

10% is not that good for a scale up to 100%... sorry .

[Withershadow]

See?

I have a wonderful, wonderful brain and O can understand and... comprehend... stuff... way more better then other people do.

Jokes aside I was pretty pleased that my (granted) anecdotal experience is really close to what math says.

I wonder how good is a BF5 HSS with Lascannons and re-rolling of ones in taking out vehicles with AV 14?

Can anyone mathhammer that for me?

If you mean chance to blow it up, each BS5 re-roll 1s lascannon has a ~2.8% chance to blow up an AV14 vehicle. It has a roughly ~32% chance to do a hull point, with that number including everything from just glancing it to blowing it to bits.

[Gorgoff]

Thank you guys.

[Charlo]

Still loving the raw DATA in this thread.

 

Do you think we could get some of the Custodes weapons implemented? They have a lot of AP2 Armourbane that would be nice to know he math on in relation to the other legion stuff.

[Jarkaira]

I'll implement Custodes as soon as I get my hands on the book. Which shouldn't take long time as the shipment along with HH weekender model is sitting at the customs.