Riot Earp Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Hi first sorry guys but i searched for hours to find an answer to my question. Count Indipendent characters for the purpose of numbers of units nessersary for the canticles of the omnissiah as one unit if they are attached to another unit with this rule? Domnius + Breacher = 2 Units (Like the Designers Note intended in the cohort cybernetica) or does this unit cout as one unit as per the BRB states in indipendent characters ic getting part of the unit. Dominus + Breacher = 1 Units for purpose of the canticle rule? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330487-counting-units-for-canticles-of-the-omnissiah/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 If the designers notes in the codex count them as separate I'd say that is the way to go. Codex > BRB :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330487-counting-units-for-canticles-of-the-omnissiah/#findComment-4640163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 That note is for a different thing, though. I would definitely count the dominus on his own even if he's joined to a group though because of that precedent and the fact that killing an IC but not the unit he's in still counts for first blood and stuff like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330487-counting-units-for-canticles-of-the-omnissiah/#findComment-4640337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds.043 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Yeah, I've seen people argue that you don't count them before, but if the designers note isn't enough to convince them, they're probably not going to be a very fun opponent. The key here is it's a designer's note not a special rule. A special rule would obviously mean that it only works for the one formation, but since it's a designers note, it's merely a statement about how it's intended to work, meaning it is probably intended to be used with all matters of fused units with canticles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330487-counting-units-for-canticles-of-the-omnissiah/#findComment-4640471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchverr Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 The way my group ran it is he counts as his own thing, simply for the point of "he counts as a point if killed he is arguably his own unit", otherwise you would simply have him be "out the unit" use a canticle then attach him to a unit that turn, its fairly silly to count him as "part of the unit" imo for the canticles, i mean, we pay enough for each model as is in points, if we cant count him in, it makes it much harder to simply get the most out the canticles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330487-counting-units-for-canticles-of-the-omnissiah/#findComment-4640608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 AFAIK, you count each unit separately regardless of whether they joined a squad or not. I've never had anyone argue the point on that one, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330487-counting-units-for-canticles-of-the-omnissiah/#findComment-4641839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot Earp Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 What some people lead to this thinking is the ic rule that the unit counts as one unit in all terms. Sure that GW meant shooting assaulting etc. Our german rulelaywers are accurate as anybody elso. Can cost you some nerfes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330487-counting-units-for-canticles-of-the-omnissiah/#findComment-4641970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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