Legio Draconis Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 My question in brothers comes from musing on the proliferation of terminator armour at the time of the heresy. Whole companies we outfitted in terminator armour and was wondering about whether these companies would have armed certain squads as devastators. My musing led me to thinking this was highly likely as we have already seen what could probably be termed as tactical and assault terminator squads, why not devastator? Now I'm aware this would only work in the 30K setting as the scarcity of terminator armour in the 40k setting would preclude this tactic, but what say you brother's, do you think we will see squads of terminators armed as devastators? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Some legion specific terminators are essentially that, though from what I remember they are limited to cyclone missile launchers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBOcaster Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I mean they already exist, Siege Tyrant Terminators all have cyclone missile launchers and Fulmilatrii Terminators can all take auto-cannons or cyclone missiles. And the Death guard ones all have poisonous grenade launchers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 There's also saturnine pattern that you see in the artwork that has a top mounted heavy weapon in addition to what the terminator is carrying Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legio Draconis Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share Posted February 2, 2017 Thank you brothers. When I was thinking about this I had envisioned them armed with lascannons and cyclone missile launchers as dedicated tank hunters or volkite culverin and cyclones for taking out infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Taking this as a "What if?" type of scenario, I can see the Dev Terminators as the basis for the later Centurion Suits used in 40k. I would like them to take a page from the Contemptor as I would surmise that there actually would be far fewer dreadnoughts at the time of the Heresy as the Legions would be still relatively new and they would not have as many vaunted heroes that they would want to inter into a sarcophagus. With a scarcity of Dreadnoughts, the Contemptor seems to have enough common ground that they would be swappable. The Contemptor has access to (from the FW website): Lascannon, Plasma Cannon, Inferno Cannon, Assault Cannon, Multi-Melta, Heavy Bolter, Autocannon, Volkite Culverin and Cyclone Missile Launcher. We know Terminators can carry most of that list normally so upping the weapon count to up to 4 per squad seems reasonable like their power armored brothers. The only weapons I can see the Terminators NOT taking would be the Lascannon (I would imagine it cannot be miniaturized enough to be carried by one hand like most heavy weapons), Inferno Cannon (Heavy Flamer pulls that duty) and Heavy Bolter (Redundant with Combi-Bolter, Autocannon and Assault Cannon). It would be cool to see the Volkites over there and by 40k would be replaced by the grav weaponry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna707 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I was really excited to see siege tyrants because I always thought that idea of specialized terminator devistators would be cool. I could totally see a squad, perhaps a legion specific unit, with lascannons mounted on a servo arm harness on the back of cataphractii plate. What I really want to see however is a destroyer terminator unit with rad missiles and fleshbane gadgets Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 What I really want to see however is a destroyer terminator unit with rad missiles and fleshbane gadgets Don't play with my fragile heart Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Once upon a time there *was* a Crux Terminatus variant not dissimilar to the Destroyer emblem.. http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r155/khromash/16468782_10158277827255094_1253873848_n_zps11rc1kvw.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimm Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I spoken to friends about this a few times and think it would be cool to see 5man termi squads all with auto canons, heavy flamers or volkite. I suppose the uncorrupted oblitorators in 30k form (but with one weapon) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 10 man squad with culervins and axes in cataphracti would be filthy against everything And chuck in mos and autek mor would be broken 48 range 40 bs5 shots with preferred enemy,interceptor,relentless and deflagrate. Nothing would survive that. I milk that combo with my heavy support squad and its brutal and its not relentless Chuck in psychic powers as will and it'd be heavily broken Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimm Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Thats why I said 5 man. The points cost and heavy slot it would fill would balance out any potential power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantraxx Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 What I really want to see however is a destroyer terminator unit with rad missiles and fleshbane gadgets Don't play with my fragile heart Such an awesome idea... i think i would actually use Destroyers with that config... with Chainaxes... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Many of us would ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna707 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Mmmmmmm and what if 1 in 5 could take an irradiation engine!? I like this idea way too much Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 How about conversion beamers like Lernaens, or multi-meltas like Justaerin? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legio Draconis Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 Four conversion beamers in a squad would be brutal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4641971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 5 and heavy slot would balance it I suppose. With how heavily congested the heavy slot is I don't think they'd see the table that often unless as part of a orbital drop list. Ultimate suicide deepatrike 5 plasma canon cataphractii with MOS you'd delete squads at will until you killed yourself Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4642011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarkaira Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Actually Space Marines first start carrying ammo and do pushups at the will of their sergeants when in Heavy Weapon Squad / Devastators and they are considered the worst guys so wouldn't be understandable for them to be wearing Terminator armor which is given to the elite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4642016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I always thought that devastators are a step below vets in terms of skill I thought it went scout-tactical-assault-devs-vets Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4642112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elzender Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 As far as I remember, in codex chapters tacticals squads are composed by marines that have gone through devastators and assault squads, and although I'm not sure which one of those went first, I'd say it is assault first and then devastator. However, Legions work in a very different way, and it is probable that marines are assigned either aribtrarily or by affinity to one role or another. Thus, being in a heavy weapons squad would not necessarily be reserved for new recruits, specially in Legions with an emphasis in long-range combat (Iron warriors, Iron Hands, non-Templar Fists, etc.). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4642320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarkaira Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Should have specified that scouts are not yet Space Marines as they are still going through initiation. Assault guys according to codex are Space Marines who can't perform in tactical roles. Of course these are codex related and pre codex era legions probably had their own ways of doing things as well as did those who don't abide by codex, such as Wolves. As codex is written to be a way how space marines work it must have it's roots in something and I guess then at least Ultramarines went from scouts to devastators in heresy era too and thus devastators being a mix of tactical veterans and newbies. Although everyone carries a heavy weapon in 30K HS squad it could be that they actually are elite group. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4642473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwr Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Why not? It's the terminator armor itself that is priceless, not assault cannons or CMLs. Hell, if you have enough to stick them on landspeeders, you could certainly equip a whole squad of terminators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4642798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beta galactosidase Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 The marines who are in terminator squads are storm teams that have to function in the front of an assault, unsupported. That is the reason that they are equipped with heavy TDA, they have to walk right into heavy fire in a zone mortalis type situation, and it's really only the one squad of them. Then devastators are specifically a fire support unit that, in order to have complete freedom to direct their fire, are kept somewhat insulated from being fired on. So I'm not saying that you are wrong. You can do whatever you want. I do know that marines wear tda when they have to operate independently while taking heavy fire, and that devastators primarily operate as supplemental fire power and are not specifically front line units the way terminators do. This is, however, an era of plate-armored sigmarine archers. Normally heavy armor would be a liability and an expense for archers, but here we are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4644186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
disease Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 new space wolf 30k terminators can all take heavy weapons like autocannons or heavy flamers. Tyrants and Fulmentarus both have cyclones on every member Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330530-devastator-terminators/#findComment-4644448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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