b1soul Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Is this good or bad for BL in your opinion. IMO, it provides a massive opportunity for BL to release "current" 40K stories dealing with Guilliman's return and the effects on the Imperium. This sets the stage for a 40K series longer than the HH series. I think it breathes new life into BL's 40K line, which has long been overshadowed by the HH line. What say you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Not quite sure if I'm satisfied with it or not. Did Magnus had such? Well, he united his Legion again and outsmarted the Wolves in devastating the Fenris system and bringing the planet of sorcerers into mortal realm. But else? Not for now. Will RGs return have a huge impact? Well, I can imagine it. All of his successor will bend their knees and we'll have to see what we will do with it. Form a new Legion? Use them as a manifold army? Least I can say is that he will need time to establish anything. Precious time while Abaddon is heading towards Ultramar now. Lots of things did have changed since RG being put into stasis. Can be really good or we get something "spiritual liege"-ish shenanigans. :/ Nevertheless, I'm calling the following: The Ending Times: Primarchs return - series ^^ (And that RG is in fact Omegon but psssst) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 When did the planet of the sorcerers get brought into the mortal realm? I also doubt he would recreate his legion. It was his idea to break them up in the first place. As I said in the other thread I'd need a novel detailing from his perspective the pain and moments prior to being put into stasis to being plucked out of it into the "present" timeline. Whilst it's hinted at Xeno sorcery being used to bring him out I would be interested to see if this meant he just snapped out of stasis or if there was some kind of dream-esq sequence where he gradually becomes aware of the events around him. No bolter porn for me thank you. No pressure ADB. But frankly I would only trust you with this! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Wrath of Magnus stated that the entire Warzone: Fenris was a mere distraction and a source of collecting souls / power to bring the planet of sorcerers into mortal realm. Just as planned. It also stated that something ancient awoke below the palace on Terra with a depiction of a Sister of Silence right next to it. Something to deny a god. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Wrath of Magnus stated that the entire Warzone: Fenris was a mere distraction and a source of collecting souls / power to bring the planet of sorcerers into mortal realm. Just as planned. It also stated that something ancient awoke below the palace on Terra with a depiction of a Sister of Silence right next to it. Something to deny a god. Don't forget the Fenris spirit seems to have awoken which who knows what that means in the future. maybe just lost forever.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 if there was ever an opportunity for a monkey's paw, this is it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Wrath of Magnus stated that the entire Warzone: Fenris was a mere distraction and a source of collecting souls / power to bring the planet of sorcerers into mortal realm. Just as planned. It also stated that something ancient awoke below the palace on Terra with a depiction of a Sister of Silence right next to it. Something to deny a god. Why would he want to bring a planet out of the Warp when he himself can only survive into the mortal realm for a finite amount of time? Or am I misunderstanding something. Also, something woke up and had a SoS next to it? It must be legit rather than evil for them to be involved? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Sorry for that misunderstanding. The very last fluff pages of WoM are as follows: left side: depiction of a Sister of Silence right side: box with the text about something, capable of denying a god, awoke / prepares beneath the Palace It's most likely the SoS which will be reappearing in the coming fluff. Or maybe something different alongside them, it's not quite definite. Why bringing the planet of sorcerers into mortal realm? Why not? ^^ It's a powerful base of operations AND it's a perfect gateway for spreading warp influence, etc. It's stated that a mighty wave of change eclipsed from it and that the Imperium will never be the same again. Possible warp storms, a huge signal for hidden cults, whatever. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Age of Sigmar reboot for 40k here we come ;) I jest. It appears they (the evil corporate they) have learnt from their mistakes and done something which I perceive to be better and more organised. Thank you for that re-understanding of fluff. All sounds like novel worthy content providing they get round to writing one/some. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 You know what, it's the Emperor that woke up beneath the palace. Someone else will be in the throne being fed 1000 psykers a day to keep it running. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carach Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Malcador didn't actually die. He went into the webway. Emps has reopened the webway gate for his return. He's back to finally show these Primarch brats he's a boss after all those times he kindly held his tongue and stayed his hand throughout the crusade and heresy. Malcador's back and he's got BUFF. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Age of Sigmar reboot for 40k here we come I jest. It appears they (the evil corporate they) have learnt from their mistakes and done something which I perceive to be better and more organised. Thank you for that re-understanding of fluff. All sounds like novel worthy content providing they get round to writing one/some. Not exactly - they will just made rule changes and that's all. For newbies to more quickly get into the setting and start spending money on models, paints and codexes. Not quite sure if I'm satisfied with it or not. Did Magnus had such? Well, he united his Legion again and outsmarted the Wolves in devastating the Fenris system and bringing the planet of sorcerers into mortal realm. But else? Not for now. Will RGs return have a huge impact? Well, I can imagine it. All of his successor will bend their knees and we'll have to see what we will do with it. Form a new Legion? Use them as a manifold army? Least I can say is that he will need time to establish anything. Precious time while Abaddon is heading towards Ultramar now. Lots of things did have changed since RG being put into stasis. Can be really good or we get something "spiritual liege"-ish shenanigans. :/ Nevertheless, I'm calling the following: The Ending Times: Primarchs return - series ^^ (And that RG is in fact Omegon but psssst) Can't see what Corax,Vulkan or Khan return would do to the setting. 'Hey look what a lovely place Imperium of Mankind has become! Corax - Ohhhhh, Nevermore... Khan - feth this, I go back to the Webway. Vulkan - let's all live in peace - we can give Abaddon a shining present :)' On the other hand if Russ and Lion will return - and create a triumvirate with Guilliman that would be something :) Imperium Secundus 40k style :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Actually I do not think BL will touch this! While personally I think the ACTUAL timeline for 40k should advance instead of being perpetually in that last day/week/year I am not sure they (GW studio) is going to do that. If I am right then that doesn't leave much time for a story (or stories) covering RG return or any other Primarchs. Possibly some books as direct tie ins to Gathering Storm but they will not be able to advance much beyond that. Again personal view but I was always surprised GW didn't: 1. allow the timeline to continue (do a 2000AD and ignore that it would strictly speaking become 41k) 2. actually allow the meta to be influenced by the outcome of campaigns undertaken by the player base. There are 10,000 years for BL to explore and I would rather they did that! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Is this good or bad for BL in your opinion. IMO, it provides a massive opportunity for BL to release "current" 40K stories dealing with Guilliman's return and the effects on the Imperium. This sets the stage for a 40K series longer than the HH series. I think it breathes new life into BL's 40K line, which has long been overshadowed by the HH line. What say you? My opinions of what is occurring notwitshstanding, I think it could be good for BL down the line. Jumping on it now just to cash in on the hype train probably wouldn't produce much of quality, they should wait to see how it plays out so they don't accidentally write themselves into a corner because of something they didn't see coming. And, as always, a better book is "do I have a good story to tell?" rather than "I need to tell a good story about X!" And besides the big names present, I think HH is also valued for the feeling of continuity and progression for the readership, while stagnation seems the name of the game for many BL novels. There are plenty of opportunities in the 40k universe to tell a long-form story with interesting characters that would scratch the same itch. We just need the correct writers for the job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Good example: Wraights Wolves from Blood of Asaheim and Stormcaller I want to know how the story continues!!!! :\ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izlude Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Obviously biased but would love this! -RB wakes up and is pissed and decapitates the high lords (probably would not happen...Vulkan should have:) -Some nice monologues how the Imperium is f'ed up -Maybe him going to see the Throne and somehow gets the sword -His interactions with Cypher! -While not as into the 40k UM characters, obviously his interactions with Calger and Sicarius -Some info how he was brought back to life, it sounds interesting with part mechanicum and eldar While I left the 40k world for HH some time ago, I definitely plan to get the book (more for the history rather than rules although be fun to compare 30k rules to 40k for RB) as well as the model despite the mixed reviews for his model. If anything Cypher is totally badass. Maybe I should know this what is up with Cypher's other pistol? I know in the old rules he wields a MC plasma and bolt pistol but now it seems people are making a big deal of that other pistol that is holstered? PS: Oh none of this Omegon-->RB nonsense! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4647919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 It's in GW's interest to progress in significant and surprising, but still fundamentally small steps. I'm hopeful they get good at it, rather than rush to a weird, partly joined, empty place as they did with Age of Sigmar. I've warmed a bit to AoS - but if they got *good* at it (hire a good script editor, for one - Fall of Cadia has been annoying me with its oddly peculiar off-hand trivia that just don't sound very 'on brand' 40k at all [quite distinct from the *new* stuff, which is obviously 'off brand' in the first instance!]). But anyway, I'm quitely hopeful. It'll be great to see BL tell more free-form, porentially radical stories. I'm excited, even. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4648013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Well Cadia has fallen right? Eye of Terror expanded and swallowed it. Pylons destroyed. All gone a bit wrong. I'm hoping the Necrons come to the rescue. They are meant to be experts at denying psychic species. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4648070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 Some of you raise an interesting point Perhaps GW will freeze the timeline at a point shortly after RG's return. That would be a massive tease and highly annoying...but it would avoid too much change from "old 40K". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4648114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I think the 2 seconds to midnight aspect is great. I just wish it was on Terra rather than Cadia. We can still have an infinite amount of novels dealing with the 10k years of imperial history. I'm excited for this. What dreams did RG have? What dreams does he have now that he is awake? So cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4648206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Bovus Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I'm sorry guys but I've been a bit out of the loop on 40k stuff - what's the primary source for this happening? I don't doubt you guys I'd just like to get caught up with whatever details we have. Much appreciated :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4648370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 I'm sorry guys but I've been a bit out of the loop on 40k stuff - what's the primary source for this happening? I don't doubt you guys I'd just like to get caught up with whatever details we have. Much appreciated :) Google the following: Gathering Storm III Rise of the Primarch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4648447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Or have a look in one of dozens "OMG Roboute is back!" threads on this board. I'm curious about the overall progression and coming stuff concerning the entire Imperium and the changes RG might bring. Will he unify or shatter it? Will he be savior or damnation? Imperium Tertius? Much potential. RG himself? meh...Grandpapa smurf...never an interesting character for me. ^^ Would be rather hyped about Johnson, Khan or Russ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4648487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Or have a look in one of dozens "OMG Roboute is back!" threads on this board. I'm curious about the overall progression and coming stuff concerning the entire Imperium and the changes RG might bring. Will he unify or shatter it? Will he be savior or damnation? Imperium Tertius? Much potential. RG himself? meh...Grandpapa smurf...never an interesting character for me. ^^ Would be rather hyped about Johnson, Khan or Russ. As galaxy in tatters took twenty Primarchs over two hundred years to do it. I'm sure one won't pose too much of a problem. ;) The Imperium has suffered their (well, Vulkan's) return before, perhaps it will suffer again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4648533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Good example: Wraights Wolves from Blood of Asaheim and Stormcaller I want to know how the story continues!!!! :\ exactly - it's good to get to finish the story, lol. Or have a look in one of dozens "OMG Roboute is back!" threads on this board. I'm curious about the overall progression and coming stuff concerning the entire Imperium and the changes RG might bring. Will he unify or shatter it? Will he be savior or damnation? Imperium Tertius? Much potential. RG himself? meh...Grandpapa smurf...never an interesting character for me. ^^ Would be rather hyped about Johnson, Khan or Russ. As galaxy in tatters took twenty Primarchs over two hundred years to do it. I'm sure one won't pose too much of a problem. The Imperium has suffered their (well, Vulkan's) return before, perhaps it will suffer again. It will. Seriously it will. Guilliman will stop Chaos, then will meet with Russ and Lion and they will start French revolution... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/#findComment-4648549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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