Kelborn Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Imagine an after 13th Crusade scenario: The threat of Chaos was averted. The Imperium lies in Ruins. Xenos are rising, sensing their opportunities. The Legions of Traitors are scattered across the realm or are banished back into the baleful Eye of Terra, held in check by the faithful Black Templars and the never-dying Vulkan. The returned sons of the Emperor stand on the scorched earth of Terra itself. Their fathers dream being perverted with the false belief of the Ecclesiarchy and the scheming's of the High Lords of Terra, the last sons, the Wolfking, the Lion and Guiliman, gather their Legions to end this madness once and for all. The vision of an enlightened mankind will rise again... Others have sworn to hunt down the vile Xenos and eradicate their existence. Led by none other than the Khan and his brother Corax, these crusaders of the Truth are fanning out to conquer lost territories and search for lost wisdom. In the meantime, the trio of wrath, lay siege to the Imperial Palace on Terra. There, the corrupt Lords of Terra have taken refuge in the holiest of halls, aided by none other than the zealous Ecclisiarchy. It is the age of a new era. An era of reasoning. As the darkness rises around the small flame of mankind, future only seems to offer desperation. For in the grim darkness of the future, there is only war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I think this is awesome news! I'm no table top gamer but the collectors sets with the book and models etc look like a great investment, tries to crowbar open wallet!! As Roomsky has pointed out though i think Black Library should keep well clear for a while yet, maybe 2 or 3 years. For me their main priority right now has to be the closing stages of the Heresy in glorious fashion... we've got what, 10, maybe 12 books left until it's all over Coupled with the final Primarchs books this should open the ball park right up around 2020 for a long running series covering this massive series of developments in as much detail as is needed... 4 books per year please, multiple top tier authors to start the ball rolling and follow it through. Hot damn this has me excited!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 books a year is too few. My preferred would be one a month like they did with the TBA series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 The Lion and Russ would no doubt take precedence if other primarchs were to return Corax and the Khan seem like long shots Perhaps... Roboute manages to awaken the Lion Russ and Corax break free from the Eye...perhaps the two had joined up for survival Russ or Corax then ventures into the Webway to recover the Khan, perhaps with Eldar/Aeldari help. Dorn and Vulkan stay missing. Just my wishlisting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Is Aeldari a generic term for all the Eldar? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I guess with 4 per year I'm thinking more along the lines of the HH pace, longer novels with more time dedicated to their development and editorial QC. Enough to wet your whistle and keep you coming back for more! :-) While I did enjoy TBA and it's monthly subscription fix, i think the final package was rushed which in places left us with more plot holes than a block of Swiss Cheese. Hopefully BL get to take their time with this and give it the attention and effort it deserves weaving multiple plot lines from existing lore and books into the naritive of a new series. For example, how cool would it be if ADB's Black Legion series eventually flowed right into the events unfolding in 40k now... how does Khayon and his situation line up with everything, after all he is right where his Warmaster needs him to be. What of McNeill's UM series, in an old blog post he stated a desire to return to his characters and even admitted to proposing the return of RB in some form to BL a while ago so how could that tie into things. There's so much potential, exciting times indeed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carach Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Lion being asleep in the rock is a DA secret is it not? Does RG even know he is there to awaken? or does my rather rusty memory of the lore betray me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Lion being asleep in the rock is a DA secret is it not? Does RG even know he is there to awaken? or does my rather rusty memory of the lore betray me Only the WitD and the Emperor know.... Thats the standard, but things are a changing so who knows what tweaks they have planned over the year. But given Guilliman has one the Emperors Swords, it "MIGHT" not be out of the realm of possibility he knows the Lion is there... I am very interested to know how Guilliman got the sword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 It is a secret, but Azrael might be motivated to awaken the Lion. Cawl and RG might be able to help with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izlude Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Has anyone read the books for the fall of cadia thing? I am gling to get book 3 on March and I know book 2 with the eldar arc is soon. Not sure if book 1 and maybe 2 is worth getting more for the background reading? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Guilliman collects the sword via the webway. He walks up to the throne and picks it up uttering the following holy words: "need to borrow this dad, brb" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Has anyone read the books for the fall of cadia thing? I am gling to get book 3 on March and I know book 2 with the eldar arc is soon. Not sure if book 1 and maybe 2 is worth getting more for the background reading? I'd recommend reading book 1 and 2, (I've read 1, getting 2 this weekend) though I'm sure a plot summary would suffice if you want to jump right in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I'm midday through Book 1 at the moment. It's interesting. Stupid in places, and a pale shadow of thing alike the good background section in the BFG rulebook - but I'm still enjoying the damn thing. I'd enjoy it more if it weren't so lacking in nuance. "What do BT do? Pray. Well, we'd better have them pray. Dark Angels and Space Wolves: sexual tension. Better have some tension. What about Sisters of Battle? Back from the dead!" It also paints the Cadians & Black Legion in a vague, non-descript, faintly incompetent sort of manner - but it's not worse than 40k down the ages until now - I just wish it were better! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4648965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Am I wrong in thinking they are very expensive if I only intend to read them for lore content? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Am I wrong in thinking they are very expensive if I only intend to read them for lore content? Yeah, 30 quid each (Or you're local equivalent.) I wouldn't get them just for the lore unless you really wanted them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I think this is awesome news! I'm no table top gamer but the collectors sets with the book and models etc look like a great investment, tries to crowbar open wallet!! As Roomsky has pointed out though i think Black Library should keep well clear for a while yet, maybe 2 or 3 years. For me their main priority right now has to be the closing stages of the Heresy in glorious fashion... we've got what, 10, maybe 12 books left until it's all over Coupled with the final Primarchs books this should open the ball park right up around 2020 for a long running series covering this massive series of developments in as much detail as is needed... 4 books per year please, multiple top tier authors to start the ball rolling and follow it through. Hot damn this has me excited!! True. Has anyone read the books for the fall of cadia thing? I am gling to get book 3 on March and I know book 2 with the eldar arc is soon. Not sure if book 1 and maybe 2 is worth getting more for the background reading? Eldar book is actually happening before the event of Cadia Fall - but the last chapter are the 'events' of the 'Fall of Cadia' end I'm midday through Book 1 at the moment. It's interesting. Stupid in places, and a pale shadow of thing alike the good background section in the BFG rulebook - but I'm still enjoying the damn thing. I'd enjoy it more if it weren't so lacking in nuance. "What do BT do? Pray. Well, we'd better have them pray. Dark Angels and Space Wolves: sexual tension. Better have some tension. What about Sisters of Battle? Back from the dead!" It also paints the Cadians & Black Legion in a vague, non-descript, faintly incompetent sort of manner - but it's not worse than 40k down the ages until now - I just wish it were better! Stupid in places that's to say mildly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Yeah I am reading Gathering Storm I and it is fun but not amazing. The "story progression" behind it all is very interesting and exciting but as Xisor says, it is flawed in execution. Saying that it is job done with me as I am now committed to buying book II and III so that is £90 from my wallet! I believe (but expect there are some loremasters out there who can correct me) that GW studio have actually acknowledged some/most of the outcome of the Eye of Terror campaign from years ago and commenced TGS from that point as the next attack by Abaddon is unleashed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I believe (but expect there are some loremasters out there who can correct me) that GW studio have actually acknowledged some/most of the outcome of the Eye of Terror campaign from years ago and commenced TGS from that point as the next attack by Abaddon is unleashed? That's how it's reading to me, too. E.g. Cadia ravaged on the ground, a Blackstone destroyed and the Imperial Navy otherwise preventing a wholesale diabolical exodus from The Eye is pretty much the starting point for first book. (It took me a moment to realise that they were starting from where it left of, rather than badly butchering what went before as part of a reboot! Too cynical for my own good!) --- That said, a few pages of colourful, evocative *recap* on what had gone on before (PREVIOUSLY ON WARHAMMER 40,000...) would have been nice. Beyond that - does anyone recall the exact final state? Not just the statistics (pretty sure the Tau [wot I 'elped] had an expansion of 132.6% or something like that), but the various plot points. I remember Eldrad having trouble with a possessed Blackstone, vaguely recall Ahriman's heartfelt attempt to return some overdue Library books getting as far as Commorragh, was Admiral Quarren still alive? I'm pretty sure the Planet Killer was driven off by the same squadron that, almost a millennia previously, supposedly 'destroyed' it during the Gothic War. Also, the Orks basically controlled an entire sector outside the Eye - with only a Forgeworld still holding out against them. Is that the one that's been advanced to become Mordakka? (Formerly Mordax?) --- Well, anyway, I've a vague inclination to do some fan-fiction on all this. Not huge stories, but meandering spin-offs to try to fill in the gaps. It's very tempting... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I would want something along these lines if a Novel actually covered these events (which I just made up) Searing pain… That was mostly what he had remembered. Not from the cut, but from the sorcerous poison streaming through his body and confounding the apothecarium. It had felt like his blood was boiling and his transhuman physique was eating away at itself in a vain effort to purge what it considered to be an infection. Through the bouts of nausea, he had remembered seeing his beloved brother in the battle but the unthinkable had happened. He hadn’t formulated an effective practical to counter what Fulgrim had become. He had known since his awakening that he wasn’t going to let that happen again. The awakening. It felt strange for it to be referred to like that as if it had been a conscious, willing or even easy which couldn’t be further from the truth. His superlative cognitive abilities were still processing what had happened but something about being in stasis for nearly 10,000 years had changed him. Were they dreams he had whilst being in his semi-death state or was it just a trick of his mind. As far as he remembered he had been placed in the stasis chamber moments from death, fully aware of his bodies injuries and then in an eye-blink he was being removed from it. Thinking on those events he asked himself often what had happened to the eldar. They had disappeared shortly after the events but he had remembered coming out of stasis as if it were a dream. His nostrils had flared and quickly determined that a xeno breed was present along with the strange oily texture that often came from being in the company of one of the Mechanicum. This was all before his eyes had refocused of course but the presence of aliens had already kicked his metabolism into a combat ready state. A half second later and he could make out the strange melodic singing being performed by the eldar present that assaulted his senses and seemed to shake the very fabric of his being. When he had finally come to he had taken in the scene with a strange sense of awe. It was madness to work with xenos but Cawl was there along with his artefact. That small and arcane looking device that held so much of the archmagi’s attention. Strange machines connected to him were placed nearby and long cables that snaked their way across the floor had sparked with colours of all variation during the process. Then the alien singing stopped and the induced paralysis that Guilliman hadn’t noticed began to fade. “He has been returned to us” declared the archmagos. The eldar present gave a subtle almost imperceivably small nod towards the Lord of Ultramar but had visibly lost some of its arrogance in its posture. Possibly a side effect due to whatever ritual it had just performed. When it spoke, it was in perfect high Gothic and what it said shook the foundations of what Guilliman thought he knew and what had actually happened to his core. That’s when things really got interesting. Y'know ... but better and written by an actual author, lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Xisor, Lexicanum should still have links to the archived Eye of Terror campaign website, which included an endstate for the overall event. If you can't find it, PM me. I backed up the individual reports either as PDF or HTML products. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 It also stated that something ancient awoke below the palace on Terra with a depiction of a Sister of Silence right next to it. Something to deny a god.Not something. The pertinent quote follows: There, for the first time in millennia, a secret order that had long laboured in shadow made preparations for outright war. They were the living weapons of the Emperor – human in appearance, but with the power to unmake a god. It's the Sisters themselves that appear to be stirring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Thanks for quoting that bit and correcting me. :) Now it should be clearer to those unfamiliar with WoM. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 as someone who forked out for each WHFB end times campaign book, plus accompanying BL novel, just for the fluff, i'm not really feeling the gathering storm. it just doesn't go deep enough for me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I understand that. I'm unsure on what this Gathering Storm series is supposed to be really. Is it sort of a prelude to the new 13th Black Crusade? Or is it the new 13th Black Crusade and will, at the end of book 3, a new series of books continue the storyline with more big events? It feels rather light and quick so far in some sense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 traitor's hate/angel's blade had the black crusade icon on the front but fall of cadia doesn't *shrugs* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/2/#findComment-4649998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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