Kelborn Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Thought that everyone of them was "the" 13th Crusade. oO Wasn't it stated that the Gathering Storm is the beginning of a series which will end right before 8th edition hits? Remember some saying this in the N&R forum. They were even considering a couple of trilogies like Gathering Storm to cover every faction until the 8th finally arrives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4650002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 So I too thought Gathering Storm was part of 13th black crusade. They certainly have the 13th as the major component and there are linkages to other aspects of the 13th (Traitors Hate, Angels Blade) and references back to the old Eye of Terror campaign that actually launched the 13th. I just see these as the next stage or attack of the 13th which is a war rather than a battle so fought across multiple locations. I suspect they have badged this the Gathering Storm as it is wider than just 13th as book II focuses on the Fracture of Biel Tan and the elder (concurrent story with book I which focused on Cadia). Also this "just" resets the "current" position for the tabletop game so I expect there to be campaign books covering every faction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4650086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 as someone who forked out for each WHFB end times campaign book, plus accompanying BL novel, just for the fluff, i'm not really feeling the gathering storm. it just doesn't go deep enough for me Exactly - it is too naive, sometimes plainly stupid and without novels support I can't take it seriously. Plus all that Blackstone fortress - and where is the other one? Abaddon has 2 after Gothic war? I understand that. I'm unsure on what this Gathering Storm series is supposed to be really. Is it sort of a prelude to the new 13th Black Crusade? Or is it the new 13th Black Crusade and will, at the end of book 3, a new series of books continue the storyline with more big events? It feels rather light and quick so far in some sense. I think that's a 3-part prelude to the AoS rules only reboot for W40K. And main events will follow long after the Gathering storm. We know that it end in March with Guilliman, but we do not know what will follow after in it's steps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4651500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Laertes Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 as someone who forked out for each WHFB end times campaign book, plus accompanying BL novel, just for the fluff, i'm not really feeling the gathering storm. it just doesn't go deep enough for me Exactly - it is too naive, sometimes plainly stupid and without novels support I can't take it seriously. Plus all that Blackstone fortress - and where is the other one? Abaddon has 2 after Gothic war? TGS1 states that it is rumored to habe been destroyed during the opening phases of the 13th Black Crusade, aka The Eye of Terror campaign. TGS is not a full reboot of the crusade, but follows almost directly from the end of EOT (minus some 'minor' details, like the death of Eldrad and stuff like that) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4651613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 As said, TGS1 takes off almost exactly as EoT ended: Cadia mostly in Chaos hands, but the Eye still blockaded by the Navy. I'm pretty sure there was an EoT story about Eldrad and a Slasneshi possession of the second Blackstone. The first was intercepted, as I recall, by a Necron fleet. In any event, I'm a good way through TGS1 - and I'm enjoying it. Still suffers from, the odd legacy of Ward's fluff, but there's a degree of classic 'and then this happened' to it. Even the silly bits are offset by some really neat bits, so on balance: I like it a lot. It also doesn't feel like a crappy kid running up and down a beach stomping on everyone's sandcastles, which is a very positive distinction from the tripe that was the main books for The End Times. (Novels were damage limitation, but felt a lot like [possibly because it literally was?] artists being paid to ruin their own and others' masterpieces on the threat that it'll be worse if someone else does it.) 40k, at least, doesn't have that degree of fine-detail to it, so even wiping out everything and everyone would be (in terms of investment as a reader) a lot less horrific. --- Of course, if you're not invested in any of that detail: the bigger the explosion, the more characters killed off, the more there is to rubberneck at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4651949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 TGS1 takes off almost exactly as EoT ended: Cadia mostly in Chaos hands, - not even close. It is freed from Chaos troops. All Abaddon forces made a landing! 'It also doesn't feel like a crappy kid running up and down a beach stomping on everyone's sandcastles, which is a very positive distinction from the tripe that was the main books for The End Times. (Novels were damage limitation, but felt a lot like [possibly because it literally was?] artists being paid to ruin their own and others' masterpieces on the threat that it'll be worse if someone else does it.)' true Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4652624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 TGS1 takes off almost exactly as EoT ended: Cadia mostly in Chaos hands, - not even close. It is freed from Chaos troops. All Abaddon forces made a landing! Not quite - Creed only commands a handful of intact strong points on Cadia by that point (mainly centred on the Elysion Fields) - the rest of the entire fortress world is in disarray. Abaddon's fleet is driven off, but the Imperial fleet in orbit really only has one ship capable of more than mere orbital defence. The Dark Angels command a site by their downed cruiser, the Black Templars are somewhere else. But it's true - Abaddon and his Hounds are still on the fleet, somewhat distant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4652972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Are the legion of the damned involved in the events of TGS? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4653251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Antipodes Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Very much so; mainly wrt the battle on the Phalanx. They also turn up later to help an Astartes incursion force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4653833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Great. Are there any lore tidbits? Do they even speak? Has it ever been confirmed they are The Emperors "Daemons" or was that just fan made a while ago? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4653922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Great. Are there any lore tidbits? Do they even speak? Has it ever been confirmed they are The Emperors "Daemons" or was that just fan made a while ago? Nope. They simply arrived on Phalanx and helped IF to won over Belakor. Later on the same Phalanx they arrive on Cadia. Also they are attuned to warp - at the moment of Cadian pylons destruction they were 'banished' to the warp Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4654730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I would have thought they would disappear when they activate rather than get destroyed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4654785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I would have thought they would disappear when they activate rather than get destroyed. It's left to our own imagination. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330681-impact-of-guillimans-return-on-bl/page/3/#findComment-4654822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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