oldmanlee Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Hi all Im looking to get back to running my guard for a few upcoming torneys here in the uk. I normally go mech heavy but fancy something different. so I was thinking of air cav or artillery heavy as I'm not a fan of mass infantry. ( hurts my back moving that much infantry ) would anyone have any tips or tactics to help me out? Or am I wasting my time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 An artillery list ideally has plenty of infantry to help protect them as they're even squishier than tanks and will fold to close assault, so sounds like you want an air cavalry force if you don't want too many troopers? What sort of list would this be, are we talking Elysians or something else? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4650285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 Not elysians as forgeworld list for the most part are not allowed at uk events so I guess something else Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4650291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Guard aren't great at an airborne list, I'm not up to date on all the Guard formations so I'm not sure if one of them can help you out? Otherwise the Stormies can do a flyer list, though that's not ordinary Guard. I'm not sure what your options are short of going unbound I know we have some airy fairies around the barracks (or rather, zooming around above it and taking up space at the bar?) so hopefully one of them can help Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4650340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 Any help is welcome Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4650351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Closest thing would be to take the flyer formation of 3 vendettas or valks (mix and match) and load them with vets Grab a couple of hellrain formations (depending on detachment limits) and the sprinkle with some ground support so youre not tabled if the birds don't show up. Defense line with comms relay would be handy. Keep in mind though you despite having a lot of flyers you wont have much mobility without some mobilized ground support. Or risk putting your flyers into hover to grab objectives. 7th is all about mobility. Alternatively depending on what your thoughts are there's always emperors wrath artillery formation with daemon summoning psykana division (ugh) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4650969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 I've been thinking of trying the storm trooper air assault formation with allied ravenwing to start on the board till the flyers show up ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4651243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ldorte Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Not elysians as forgeworld list for the most part are not allowed at uk events so I guess something else Will never understand this, the overpowered forgeworld units are all from armies which have the most powerful standard codices anyway so not sure how that will ever keep anything balanced. Anyway back on topic, all the fun/good artillery is in the Imperial Armour books as the minimum 24" range of a Basilisk can cause some issues on a normal 6x4 board if you're fighting a mobile army and although Wyverns can lay down withering anti infantry fire they lack the sheer punch of something beautiful like the Medusa. There is the option I suppose of dropping an aegis defence line or similar down and just chucking some basilisk/wyverns behind that with a platoon of infantry with heavy weapons squads to provide a buffer and some extra anti infantry firepower and then some chims with vets in for objective capture. Can't give an opinion on the Deathstrike and I've found the Manticore to be a bit hit and miss due to it's limited ammo. I saw someone with an aircav army at the last tournament I went to but it involved having lots of infantry (five or six squads plus command squad and associated air transports) so I don't think that's a route you should take considering your comments about your back. Not a fan of flyers though so look to other for info on those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4651250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 Yeah I don't get the forgeworld thing myself but hey what can you do? There was a Intresting air cav army at lvo this pass weekend that seem to do well I might look at that for inspiration Most artillery army I see use the renegade guard list from forgeworld the big issue I have with this type of army is I don't see how it deals with riptides and such it has high st shots but not a lot of them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4651253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Through attrition You just out last them while summoned units tarpit and grab objectives You don't need to table them to win in an objectives game Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4651261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 Through attrition You just out last them while summoned units tarpit and grab objectives You don't need to table them to win in an objectives game Yeah summoning daemons is the part that puts me off doing the list I just find summoning so dull Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4651265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 Anyone know if with the airborne assault formation do the Valkyries count as dedicated transports? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4651807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
walpurgisnacht Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Following this as I have just acquired three valk/vendetta partial built. Wondering how to utilize? Or should I kit bash them into vultures? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4652738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 I don't think you can ever go wrong with a vulture My suggestion if your not sure what you want to use magnets on the weapons and try the different flyer versions see why you like Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/330788-air-cav-or-artillery-heavy-cant-make-my-mind-up/#findComment-4652871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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