malika666 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Hi everybody, Been scouring Lexicanum and found a whole bunch of ship classes which were used by the Legions in the past, but Lexicanum itself doesn't mention anything else besides that. Could anybody fill me in with more info (weapon configurations and role/function mainly) on these ships. The ones I've encountered so far: * Venom Class Destroyer * Eclipse Class Light Cruiser * Gladius Class Light Cruiser * Bulk Cruiser * Infernus Class Heavy Cruiser * Retribution Class Battlecruiser (I'm guessing this is just a mistake and should be a Retribution Battleship?) * Dictatus Class Battleship * Infernus Class Battleship * Lunar Class Battleship (Probably also a mistake since the Lunar is a Cruiser?) I think the Horus Heresy books by Forge World also include a few specific classes which we haven't seen in the official rules before. So yeah, any help would be useful! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Butcher Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Do you have access to the old bfg rules and supplements? Plenty to go on there. Traitor stuff tended to be from the era of the crusades (iirc). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4661722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Pretty much everything that we see in 40K, we've seen in 30K. There were a couple of threads dedicated to just listing the ships of the Legions and included names and classes when possible. I'll see if I can find them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4661759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Okay, there are three threads, they are basically continuations of each other, so I will list the threads in chronological order.http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/?hl=%20fleetshttp://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280662-fleets-of-the-heresy-iii/?p=3470459Due to the setting, there will be a massive amount of data to go through, but basically anything that made an appearance in the Heresy series up until September of 2015 it looks like, should be in there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4661766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Download a copy of the BFG rules, they have info an weapons mounted on different ship classes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4661839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Okay, there are three threads, they are basically continuations of each other, so I will list the threads in chronological order. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/ http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/?hl=%20fleets http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280662-fleets-of-the-heresy-iii/?p=3470459 Due to the setting, there will be a massive amount of data to go through, but basically anything that made an appearance in the Heresy series up until September of 2015 it looks like, should be in there. I'm familiar with these threads, I've provided a lot of info for these (together with the members of the The First Expedition forum). I will scour through them, maybe they've got some additional info. @Xenith: I'm not interested in the current BFG ships, the rules and weapon load outs for those classes are already known. I was curious about the ships mentioned in the HH BL/FW books which don't have official rules (yet). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Okay, there are three threads, they are basically continuations of each other, so I will list the threads in chronological order. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/ http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268542-fleets-of-the-heresy/?hl=%20fleets http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280662-fleets-of-the-heresy-iii/?p=3470459 Due to the setting, there will be a massive amount of data to go through, but basically anything that made an appearance in the Heresy series up until September of 2015 it looks like, should be in there. I'm familiar with these threads, I've provided a lot of info for these (together with the members of the The First Expedition forum). I will scour through them, maybe they've got some additional info. @Xenith: I'm not interested in the current BFG ships, the rules and weapon load outs for those classes are already known. I was curious about the ships mentioned in the HH BL/FW books which don't have official rules (yet). I provided page numbers for most of those ships, so you should be able to find them in either the source tables or the original posts. For the most part, you aren't going to find much except that the Infernus class has a nova cannon. The BFG rules would actually be good for making logical leaps since Imperial weaponry is pretty standard. IIRC, the only ships that were really weird in their loadout were the Murder class with its all plasma weaponry and the Acheron class with its all energy lances. Pretty much your safest bet is standard broadsides with dorsal lances and bow torpedoes. That's usually what is implied. I believe one of the last posts in the third thread, someone mentioned BFG making rules for the Gloriana class, but there weren't too many of those. I think we were even given a specific number in one of the books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 There was one Gloriana class per legion as they were the Primarchs' flagships (the AL had 2 though) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 There was one Gloriana class per legion as they were the Primarchs' flagships (the AL had 2 though) *Edit, ignore me. :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 There was one Gloriana class per legion as they were the Primarchs' flagships (the AL had 2 though) At least one per Legion. In the FW books it's mentioned that the Word Bearers had 9 Gloriana class ships, including the Primarch's personal flagship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 There was one Gloriana class per legion as they were the Primarchs' flagships (the AL had 2 though) Actually, it looks like only seventeen of the Legions had Glorianas, with the AL having two, and the Imperial Army having one called the Amphion. Apparently the Imperial Fists did not have a Gloriana class. Or if they do/did, it has not been seen as of yet. But at the moment, the number is nineteen. According to both Lexicanum and Warhammer 40K. I'm about two years out of touch on the background so I'm slowly catching up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The Fists had the Phalanx, so they didn't need a Gloriana. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Where is it mentioned the Fists didn't have a Gloriana? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Was just reading FWs HH book 4 Conquest, and it mentions that the Goliath and Legatus were being phased out in favour for the Gloriana and Victory. So maybe there were more Glorianas about with the Legions having specially desinged ones like the Iron Blood and been designated Glorianas. I kinda wish that there would be more info on the ships used in the Great Crusade and Heresy. Edit: There is also this list, doesn't show weapons but it shows classes and types. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 There were more Glorianas than the ones giften to the Primarch, at least if we have to go by the FW books and statements made by Laurie Goulding: http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/index.php?showtopic=122&st=315 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Damn, thats a good find. Also just realised my link was redundent as I found a thread made by you that someone already linked it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 Great minds think alike! Got some more info from The First Expedition since I've also started a thread there: The Venom, if I recall from Pharos, is a smaller destroyer. Armed with torpedoes, but with a relatively small magazine capacity she can only fire a few volleys. The Infernus Heavy Cruiser seems to function more as a line of battle vessel, based solely on the Diamat space battle in Fallen Angels. The Gladius, again based solely on the mention in Deathfire (I think) appears to operate well as a lone wolf raider. My guess is that it is related to the 40k Gladius frigate, so probably fairly similar in weapons load out. Will see if I can dig out any other details. The Infernus-class battleship is noted as being armed with a spinal exo-las weapon, which is basically the Space Battleship Yamato's Wave-Motion Gun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331171-retired-ship-classes-looking-for-info/#findComment-4662533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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