Russ vs. Magnus (SPOILER Last Son of Prospero)

[b1soul]

So Magnus was shattered into aspects when he warned the Emp

 

That means Russ fought an aspect of Magnus and further shattered that aspect into smaller splinters.

 

Am I getting this right?

[hopkins]

i thought only russ shattered him

 

but i got the feeling  there's something going with tutelaries and shards. possible time travel shenanigans?

[Guest Drekkan]

The warp did it once again :(

[Kelborn]

One of the theories:

 

Magnus shattered and his shards were scattered across the galaxy. All are linked to the warp or are mostly within it. As the warp is timeless, it CAN be that the Legions tutelaries are in fact shards of the future, shattered Magnus.

 

Though they were once indicated to be demons, it could be secretly retconned these days.

 

Maybe I'm wrong. But as far as I've understood it, the being at the end of The Last Son of Prospero is an amalgation of Arvida and his tutelary (which is either be a demon or a shard) and (depending on what hos tutelary is) a shard of Magnus.

 

Most likely I see ghosts but I like that possible origin of the GK.

[Mellow]

I don't think Magnus was shattered into parts when he tried to warn The Emperor.

 

I do think that Magnus willingly has created shards of himself to achieve things since he left the mortal plain.

[HeritorA]

So Magnus was shattered into aspects when he warned the Emp

 

That means Russ fought an aspect of Magnus and further shattered that aspect into smaller splinters.

 

Am I getting this right?

As explained in Magnus and Crimson King and Inferno - he was truly shattered into shards then Russ broke his back.

 

As for the 'Last son of Prospero' - Magnus Echo (formed during his ritual and warp breach) simply wait for the one to set it free or make usage to it

[hopkins]

I just realised the Thousand Sons didn't have Tutelaries in the Magnis primarch book

[HeritorA]

I just realised the Thousand Sons didn't have Tutelaries in the Magnis primarch book

Cause it's years before Magnus explained tutelaries to them. Azhek is not even Chief Librarian and the most powerful after Magnus here

[Apothecary Vaddon]

So Magnus was shattered into aspects when he warned the Emp

 

That means Russ fought an aspect of Magnus and further shattered that aspect into smaller splinters.

 

Am I getting this right?

Sort of. It's not made entirely clear whether Magnus was entirely shattered during the attempted warning, as the exact wording of the passage is:

 

 

‘One of many. The Crimson King has been broken, shattered like a mirror thrown in anger. It began when he breached the wards on Terra, and it was ended by the Wolf’s wrath. No, Jaghatai, he is not dead. He has become legion.’

I personally read nothing about size of shards/splinters, rather that he hadn't been fully 'shattered' apart until Russ wrecked his spine on Prospero. The way I look at it parts of him started to break off when he Kool-Aid-Man'd his way through the Webway Wards and the rest was splintered on Prospero. This seems to be supported by a further statement made by the Terran shard itself:

 

 

‘We are on Terra,’ said the giant, lifting his chin. ‘That is where I came, to warn my Father. The rest of me went back, but I remained.’

[Roomsky]

Judging by the quote, it definitely sounds like breaching the webway "cracked him", but he didn't actually "shatter" until Russ Bane'd him. It was the first part of the road to splintering, not an actual splintering in itself.

[Jarkaira]

I thought about finding yaoi on Russ and Magnus when I saw the thread but bitterly it wasn't so.

[b1soul]

Actually, judging by this language (thanks Apothecary) . . .

 

‘One of many. The Crimson King has been broken, shattered like a mirror thrown in anger. It began when he breached the wards on Terra, and it was ended by the Wolf’s wrath. No, Jaghatai, he is not dead. He has become legion.’

 

. . . it's all rather unclear

 

It seems he left a piece of himself at the Palace when he warned the Emp...or did Arvida's shard simply follow him to the Palace?

 

Did Magnus "crack" and then shatter or did he shatter once and then again?

 

I think Magnus finally shattered when he cast his teleportation spell, no?

[Apothecary Vaddon]

When you put the two passages together, it becomes much more clear, IMO.

[b1soul]

You mean this?

 

‘We are on Terra,’ said the giant, lifting his chin. ‘That is where I came, to warn my Father. The rest of me went back, but I remained.’

 

Ah, yes...

 

So Magnus left behind a piece of himself when he warned his father.

 

Rest of him went back to Prospero, fought Russ, back broken, cast the spell

 

Result: A whole bunch of magnus fragments

[DarkChaplain]

All of this should become a damn lot clearer when The Crimson King releases. At this point there's so many different interpretations I'm resigning myself to patience.

[bluntblade]

I feel Warp shenanigans can be addressed much as old Joe does time travel in Looper. "It's a precise description of a fuzzy mechanism. It's messy."

 

But yeah, the suggestion I take is also that Magnus put his soul under some strain by breaching the wards of the Dungeon, and the general cataclysm of the duel and his pact with Tzeentch shattered his soul.

[b1soul]

Magnus left a part of himself on Terra when he breached the Palace wards...that seems quite clear

[bluntblade]

Yeah, memory lapse on my part

[helterskelter]

There's a short story explaining this partially and tells you what happens to Arvida and a magnus shard, I'm sure most of us here read about it when it popped up in a different thread.

[Mellow]

Yes the shard ...

 

 

merges with and cures the flesh change in the thousand son

 

 

Presumably the rest of Magnus is just back in one place until the whole burning of the Fenrisian system where he leaves parts all over the place as "clues"

 

Multiple personality syndrome Warp edition

[Karthak]

So is all of Magnus a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch, or just some of his shards, or none of them?

[DarkChaplain]

Depends on when exactly he ascended. The shards thing isn't anything new, we've known he was shattered as far back as Battle of the Fang, where the Great Wolf guy "kills" the supposedly last errant fragment needed to let Magnus be somewhat whole again.

By the Battle he was mighty, but didn't showcase wings and stuff yet. But then he was also able to shape himself in some ways, so we can't really say anything for certain until it is spelled out that he ascended to daemonhood, rather than being an amalgam of half-psychic shards.

[Apothecary Vaddon]

There's a short story explaining this partially and tells you what happens to Arvida and a magnus shard, I'm sure most of us here read about it when it popped up in a different thread.

Yes, that would be the short named in the OP...

[HeritorA]

Yes the shard ...

 

 

merges with and cures the flesh change in the thousand son

 

 

Presumably the rest of Magnus is just back in one place until the whole burning of the Fenrisian system where he leaves parts all over the place as "clues"

 

Multiple personality syndrome Warp edition

Wow lol. But from any point of view that's exactly what happened.

 

So is all of Magnus a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch, or just some of his shards, or none of them?

In Warzone Fenris - late W40K Magnus is a full Daemon Prince.  So it's all of them under 1 hood.

 

Depends on when exactly he ascended. The shards thing isn't anything new, we've known he was shattered as far back as Battle of the Fang, where the Great Wolf guy "kills" the supposedly last errant fragment needed to let Magnus be somewhat whole again.

By the Battle he was mighty, but didn't showcase wings and stuff yet. But then he was also able to shape himself in some ways, so we can't really say anything for certain until it is spelled out that he ascended to daemonhood, rather than being an amalgam of half-psychic shards.

And old man figurehead was exactly the shard figure. Then he was killed - Magnus was able to coalescent into a major form on Fenris