b1soul Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Came across this blog post about the Angelus seminar: http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.com/2017/02/horus-heresy-previews-angelus-seminar.html They can't fit White Scars in this volume, which they are sad about. They are the next book! However, the authoir of the post was way in the back at the seminar and is citing this Battlebunnies post about the seminar: http://battlebunnies.blogspot.com/2017/02/angelus-seminar.html They can't fit White Scars in which they are sad about. Note the difference. Can anyone confirm if the top post is just speculation or based on an actual statement at the seminar? Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Following with interest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4670525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwithout Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Logic is they are in the book after Angelus as they're the last legion that needs doing and that was the conversation I had with Alan at the weekender. The reality is though they're by far the most unpopular legion so they could well be done even later. At this time there is absolutely nothing being done for them or even planned. The team haven't even thought about them since doing the upgrade kits. And yes this is all based off the conversation I had with Simon and Alan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4670531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 A shame, but I guess someone needs to be the least popular :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4670538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Let me take a quick listen to the audio I recorded during the seminar, but I seem to remember that the reference was only that they couldn't fit the Scars into Angelus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4670577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Is it possible that the white scars are the least popular legion because basically nothing was done with them either by black library or forgeworld until well after horus heresy stuff was started? Most people like multiple legions and they also want to play a legion that has models, rules and background so started an army of a different legion since it was clear that the white scars were years away from being done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4670584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I guess it's all about money. Jetbikes are expansive and bikes are expansive. Both THE White Scars signature units. And they're white, which means they're difficult to paint. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4670599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I have given the seminar a quick listen, and the most that they say is that they couldn't include the Scars in Angelus because they wouldn't be able to do the Legion justice given the size the book is going to be already. There was a comment from Tony Cottrell that they would be included "in a later book" but didn't go into any more detail than that. But that's just what was said at the seminar, and doesn't cover off anybody's personal discussions with the FW writers outside of seminars, so just because it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the seminar doesn't mean that they won't be in book 9. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4670601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 The reality is though they're by far the most unpopular legion so they could well be done even later. Is this based on your observation of lack of WS interest at the weekender? I think FW could include numerous updates for other more popular legions in a book introducing the WS...that would appeal to non-WS fans ...but yeah, this seems to be a case of life and fluff converging... I have given the seminar a quick listen, and the most that they say is that they couldn't include the Scars in Angelus because they wouldn't be able to do the Legion justice given the size the book is going to be already. There was a comment from Tony Cottrell that they would be included "in a later book" but didn't go into any more detail than that. But that's just what was said at the seminar, and doesn't cover off anybody's personal discussions with the FW writers outside of seminars, so just because it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the seminar doesn't mean that they won't be in book 9. Thanks a lot m_r_parker I'm heartened by the fact FW did consider including WS in Angelus and thereby introducing the WS before the Siege That said, it all seems to be very much up in the air at the moment If anyone heard any additional info in a private conversation with someone at Forge World, please do tell Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 The reality is though they're by far the most unpopular legion so they could well be done even later. Is this based on your observation of lack of WS interest at the weekender? I think FW could include numerous updates for other more popular legions in a book introducing the WS...that would appeal to non-WS fans ...but yeah, this seems to be a case of life and fluff converging... I have given the seminar a quick listen, and the most that they say is that they couldn't include the Scars in Angelus because they wouldn't be able to do the Legion justice given the size the book is going to be already. There was a comment from Tony Cottrell that they would be included "in a later book" but didn't go into any more detail than that. But that's just what was said at the seminar, and doesn't cover off anybody's personal discussions with the FW writers outside of seminars, so just because it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the seminar doesn't mean that they won't be in book 9. Thanks a lot m_r_parker I'm heartened by the fact FW did consider including WS in Angelus and thereby introducing the WS before the Siege That said, it all seems to be very much up in the air at the moment If anyone heard any additional info in a private conversation with someone at Forge World, please do tell Depends entirely if they want to drag out several more books before the siege of Terra. After Angelus I'd put my money on at least one more book, my guess, the Shadow Crusade or War in the Webway ( That future Emperor of Mankind LOW model needs a campaign to go with it). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 They mentioned the plan is 15 to 20 FW HH books We're at 7 Angelus 8 will cover BA and DA (hurrah) Book 9 seems to be a mystery Looks like there's still a long way to go... I'm thinking the Siege deserves at least 2 books ...so let's say the series ends at book 17 with books 15, 16, 17 dedicated to the Siege That would leave books 9 to 14 (another 6 books) up in the air... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 If there are really are 6 more books before the siege then they likely cover at some point: -The Shadow Crusade -the ascension of Fulgrim, Angron and Mortarian to daemonhood -war in the Webway -Battle of Tallarn Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwithout Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 The reality is though they're by far the most unpopular legion so they could well be done even later.Is this based on your observation of lack of WS interest at the weekender? I think FW could include numerous updates for other more popular legions in a book introducing the WS...that would appeal to non-WS fans ...but yeah, this seems to be a case of life and fluff converging... I have given the seminar a quick listen, and the most that they say is that they couldn't include the Scars in Angelus because they wouldn't be able to do the Legion justice given the size the book is going to be already. There was a comment from Tony Cottrell that they would be included "in a later book" but didn't go into any more detail than that. But that's just what was said at the seminar, and doesn't cover off anybody's personal discussions with the FW writers outside of seminars, so just because it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the seminar doesn't mean that they won't be in book 9. Thanks a lot m_r_parker I'm heartened by the fact FW did consider including WS in Angelus and thereby introducing the WS before the Siege That said, it all seems to be very much up in the air at the moment If anyone heard any additional info in a private conversation with someone at Forge World, please do tell Originally that was based on my opinion. It's also suported by the fact that when I was talking to Alan and the lady who does the transfers (really annoys me that I forgot her name as she was a really interesting person to talk to) they said that they so rarely get asked about Scars and most of the time at events they don't get asked at all. Alan specifically said that if more people asked then we would get more priority. Quoted the wrong post! Ment to reply to B1Soul Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Is it possible that the white scars are the least popular legion because basically nothing was done with them either by black library or forgeworld until well after horus heresy stuff was started? Most people like multiple legions and they also want to play a legion that has models, rules and background so started an army of a different legion since it was clear that the white scars were years away from being done. Agree that it's between this vicious cycle, and people being scared of painting white. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 It really is a bicious circle that needs t be broken - because there's very little seen of the White Scars from a gaming model perspective they get overlooked by players, so there's little demand for what is actually there in upgrades, so the studio doesn't spend as much time producing those kits as they could be spending their time / money on more 'popular' forces. Without spending some time promoting them they won't get people investing in them, which is a pity. With regards to the 15 - 20 books in the series, it's less to do with covering specific engagements, or covering off Legions / forces that haven't been showcased yet, it's partly to give opportunity to show how the Legions change during the course of the Heresy. Not just the traitors moving away from their Imperial organisation towards their more recognisable 40k counterparts, but also how the loyalist Legions also change as a result of the Heresy. I think the example they gave was that the Emperors Children you see at Istvvan III and V are different to those encountered during the Siege, and every force is changed. The books will give opportunities to showcase them properly, in a narritive setting rather than just releasing different rules as part of a generic red-book update. Personally I'm OK with this - the longer the series carries on for the better in my eyes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Is it possible that the white scars are the least popular legion because basically nothing was done with them either by black library or forgeworld until well after horus heresy stuff was started? Most people like multiple legions and they also want to play a legion that has models, rules and background so started an army of a different legion since it was clear that the white scars were years away from being done. Agree that it's between this vicious cycle, and people being scared of painting white. Other legions have gotten alternate colour schemes, the white scars seem like they would really benefit from it. Though white or light grey primer helps a lot with white models, so there aren't the same excuses there used to be for being scared of white. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 It's a damn shame...but if FW does WS well, it could open up a new market Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironwithout Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 It's a damn shame...but if FW does WS well, it could open up a new market Is it wrong that I don't want Scars to become mainstream?I quite like being an odd one out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarkaira Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 ^ You are one of the few who can paint white in a way that it looks good :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 If there are really are 6 more books before the siege then they likely cover at some point: -The Shadow Crusade -the ascension of Fulgrim, Angron and Mortarian to daemonhood -war in the Webway -Battle of Tallarn Angrons ascension would be in the Shadow Crusade book. A Tallarn book will be awesome though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4671783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I dunno, the Legion itself isnt unpopular, on the contrary at the old heresy weekends they were one of the most popular legions. I suspect its a lack of support from FW thats contributed to less of them on the tables. The classic least popular legion was usually the Sons of Horus tbh, mostly as their colour needs mixing and a fair number of players interested in em go Luna Wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4672108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Polo Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 It's a damn shame...but if FW does WS well, it could open up a new market Is it wrong that I don't want Scars to become mainstream?I quite like being an odd one out Don't worry, unless FW starts bundling airbrushes with their WS kits you won't have a lot of people bandwagoning them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4672307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 3, 2017 Author Share Posted March 3, 2017 I dunno, the Legion itself isnt unpopular, on the contrary at the old heresy weekends they were one of the most popular legions. I presume you're referring to the positive reader reactions to Wraight's BL work? Yeah...Chris really helped out the WS. I think almost all of the WS painting threads in the Age of Darkness section have been partly motivated by Chris' work. I suspect its a lack of support from FW thats contributed to less of them on the tables. The classic least popular legion was usually the Sons of Horus tbh, mostly as their colour needs mixing and a fair number of players interested in em go Luna Wolf. I do wonder how many people would be interested in IH, Sallies, or RG in the absence of strong FW support To me, these were always the fringe loyalist legions...FW really lavished some love on them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4672317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sircyn Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 I spoke to Neil at the weekender and had a discussion about where the series was going and what gaps needed to be filled, along with the thin line between verisimilitude and madness. He did mention that the White Scars were a tough one as they had nothing to work on to begin with other than "they were at Terra and did stuff". He said that they had a lot of work to do filling in the gaps in a meaningful, interesting way but was cagey about when any any of that work would come to light. It seems that they definitely want to do them the same kind of justice they have with all the other legions and if that means making us wait they'll do that. I doubt we'll see them in Angelus, but it doesn't necessarily follow that we'll get them in the book after either. There is a lot of "mid war" stuff to cover around the march to Terra (the Titan death) and other interesting events BL has put out (like tallarn). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4672548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 I dunno, the Legion itself isnt unpopular, on the contrary at the old heresy weekends they were one of the most popular legions. I presume you're referring to the positive reader reactions to Wraight's BL work? Yeah...Chris really helped out the WS. I think almost all of the WS painting threads in the Age of Darkness section have been partly motivated by Chris' work. Nah the Old (2009/10 ish) Tempus Fugitive campaign weekends at WHW a few years before Betrayal (Probably the catalyst for FWs project). Plenty of full 3000+pt armies of White Scars trundling around. The Battle for Terra Weekend for example had a whole White Scar Task force of about a dozen players (Though one was mobile IG). Though i dont doubt Chris' work has helped, because its absolutely superb! And heres a terrible photo of the joint project myself and 2 buddies built for the event at the Ultima Gate :D http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/Noserenda/Tempus%20Fugitives%20May%202010%20Battle%20for%20Earth/P1010032.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331524-ws-confirmed-as-next-after-angelus-or-mis-info/#findComment-4672703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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