Indefragable Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Hidden Content From Codex: Blood Angels. Red Thirst Edition (iBooks version) p24: "Sanguinius soon rose to leadership of hte Blood, and under his guidance they rolled back the mutant tide. For a time Mankind had a respite on the moon of Baal Secundus. Sanguinius was worshiped as a god by his followers who felt that he could once again create a paradise in that dreadful land. Yet it was shortly thereafter that fate intervened once more. The Emperor had been questing across the galaxy in search of his lost children and his incredible psychic power led him to Baal. His ship landed a the Conclave of the Blodo and he walkd straight to Sanguinius's abode." emphasis added by me You are correct, Arkangilos. Hat's off to you. That being said (and not being argumentative), there's plenty of wiggle room with what "respite" and "felt he could once again create" means. Exactly the sort of vague lines that BL would be likely to explore. Maybe he had the blueprints drawn up and the union labor hired, but the Emperor interrupted before the ribbon ceremony? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331597-baal-during-the-great-crusade/page/2/#findComment-4676273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Well I'm not saying Baal didn't get better in terms of society, economy, unification, etc. I agree with that (which is why I said it would be more like a city in the middle of a desert, or like the NCR from Fallout). I'm just saying the planet itself didn't. Like, in Mad Max it would be the places where civilization had returned. It shows that even in a barren and blasted landscape humanity has hope. Where as before Sanguinius there wasn't anything big like that. Humans were hunted and preyed on by the mutants. They couldn't really settle down any, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331597-baal-during-the-great-crusade/page/2/#findComment-4676285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 Which I pointed out: the codex makes it very clear, the people (and him) had *hopes* to restore it, but the codex is very, very clear, it would not be because Sanguinius immediately jumped into the Crusade with the Emperor. Nay. The text explicitly comparing barbaric, backward, darkness-ridden Fenris with Olympia and Baal, 'beacons in the darkness'. We now know Olympia during the Crusade is clearly a very civilized developed and culturally sophisticated industrial world, There has to be a reason Baal is mentioned alongside with Olympia. When considering great, sublime arts of Baal, which decorated not only the Legion but Imperial Palace itself, it is rather obvious that Crusade-era Baal was a very different place to live. Furthermore, previous Codices do not refer Siege of Baal and subsequent devastation of the System at all. It is now old lore, if not completely obsoleted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331597-baal-during-the-great-crusade/page/2/#findComment-4676695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 You can think what you want man. But it's already been proven wrong. One person gave an example from a recent story taking place on Baal during the beginning of the Heresy. Another gave an example from the codex. The entire character of the Blood Angels is the "we achieve near perfection despite where we come from." This is clear from HH novels and interviews. Baal is a beacon because despite the trashy, blasted, and radioactive wastes, life endures. It is a beacon because the people still have hope and civilization. Until you can provide actual facts to back up your claim other than one vague, undefined sentence that's the way it is. Baal was never fixed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331597-baal-during-the-great-crusade/page/2/#findComment-4677130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 You can think what you want man. But it's already been proven wrong. One person gave an example from a recent story taking place on Baal during the beginning of the Heresy. Another gave an example from the codex. The entire character of the Blood Angels is the "we achieve near perfection despite where we come from." This is clear from HH novels and interviews. Baal is a beacon because despite the trashy, blasted, and radioactive wastes, life endures. It is a beacon because the people still have hope and civilization. Until you can provide actual facts to back up your claim other than one vague, undefined sentence that's the way it is. Baal was never fixed. So be it. Let's wait until Angelus finally coming out. It will prove who is right and who is wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331597-baal-during-the-great-crusade/page/2/#findComment-4677147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Bah, I'm sorry that my last reply seemed a little aggressive. I need to stop going to the N&R subforum, it makes me angry, lol. Anyhow, like I said I'm not saying it isn't a beacon, I just think it's a beacon of civilization despite hardship, rather than the planet itself being rebuilt. Basically it's proof humanity can endure any pain and still thrive, which is the characteristic of the Blood Angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331597-baal-during-the-great-crusade/page/2/#findComment-4677182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 Bah, I'm sorry that my last reply seemed a little aggressive. I need to stop going to the N&R subforum, it makes me angry, lol. Anyhow, like I said I'm not saying it isn't a beacon, I just think it's a beacon of civilization despite hardship, rather than the planet itself being rebuilt. Basically it's proof humanity can endure any pain and still thrive, which is the characteristic of the Blood Angels. No offense taken. While my opinion has not been changed, I think your reasoning is flawless and your contention is plausible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331597-baal-during-the-great-crusade/page/2/#findComment-4677193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hergrmir Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 FW could go either way, but I kind of like the idea that it was on the long road to recovery rather than actually recovered, and then in sweeps the Emperor and the GC and off goes Sanguinius. It emphasises the compare-and-contrast between Sanguinius on Baal and Fulgrim on Chemos more, too, if they're parallel tales that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331597-baal-during-the-great-crusade/page/2/#findComment-4677810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 FW could go either way, but I kind of like the idea that it was on the long road to recovery rather than actually recovered, and then in sweeps the Emperor and the GC and off goes Sanguinius. It emphasises the compare-and-contrast between Sanguinius on Baal and Fulgrim on Chemos more, too, if they're parallel tales that way.If Sangy gets swept away while Baal 3.0 is a WIP, I actually think it kinda sets up a contrast between Sanguinius and Angron. Both are compelled to leave before their work is finished, but in completely different ways. The involuntary manner for Angron is at once heartbreakingly tragic (is he the only Primarch that flat-out rejected the Emperor?), but also can be seen as somewhat selfish. Sanguinius, in contrast, can be seen as placing the needs of the many (Imperium) over the needs of the few (his own people). It's an imperfect yet compelling dichotomy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331597-baal-during-the-great-crusade/page/2/#findComment-4678328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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