JeffJedi Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 But there are combat shields shown in the Fallen set and that is not an option for Chaos Chosen. That's on the photoshop square. So I lean towards DA Vets rules. We also see two plasma pistols and a bolt pistol and a 40k Plasmagun so clearly the weapons sprue comes with that set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoK Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 But there are combat shields shown in the Fallen set and that is not an option for Chaos Chosen. There are no shields in the Champions of the Fallen picture. The reason there are shields in the Fallen kit is because it is just the DA vets kit photoshopped black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Right I was editing, but since they are selling the photoshop squad then they likely are allowing those choices, either purely DA Vets or new rules. We see 15 guys with 3 special weapons and a heavy in the pic which is legal using DA Vet rules if they are two squads 5 and 10 or three 5 man squads. Chaos Chosen are not 5-20 as I recall so I see nothing pointing to them being chosen compared to Dark Angels Vets rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoK Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 You also have to bear in mind that the MKIV sprue is mixed in there. So basically the set will be- The DA vets sprue and the MKIV marine sprue. This does not mean they will have DA rules, it just means that GW are too cheap to make an actual Fallen sprue. The vets sprue also has Deathwing Terminator stuff on it, but I doubt the Fallen will have access to TDA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 I'm just saying that having a model with a combat shield on one of the two boxes implies that the squad will have access to them. DA Vets do, Chosen do not. Chosen can have 4 special weapons, 3 are shown on the larger kit being used. 15 marines imply 2-3 squads. Nothing points to chosen. Deathwing parts don't matter, no one thinks that DA Vets use those parts themselves, I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoK Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 I'm just saying that having a model with a combat shield on one of the two boxes implies that the squad will have access to them. DA Vets do, Chosen do not. Chosen can have 4 special weapons, 3 are shown on the larger kit being used. 15 marines imply 2-3 squads. Nothing points to chosen. Deathwing parts don't matter, no one thinks that DA Vets use those parts themselves, I hope. Let's just wait and see. On the Forge the Narrative pod cast, they said that the Fallen and Cypher are literally just cut and paste from the Cypher dataslate, and from the picture and description of what is in the Champions of the Gallen box set on GW, it would suggest Chosen. Let's face it the only difference is that DAs can take combat/storm shields and Grav Weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenderleech Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 The deathwatch vanguard vets can not take the relic blade pictured, not only on the box, but given a close up 360 degree model on the shopping site. So, dont count on the fallen getting combat shields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Clavero Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 I've been looking over their markings and robe colors. Some have white Dark Angel chapter markings while others have red. Also, some have red robes while others white and checkerboards spread throughout . I wonder if these are markings according to the current fluff or just somebody adding color to the squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoK Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Probably just being colourful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Clavero Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Probably just being colorful. Cough...Or let Graham Mcneill advise in their painting....cough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I saw the leaked pic... they are just chaos chosen with Veterans of the Long War upgrade (so that is 20 points per model) and without Champion of Chaos and Mark of Chaos spacial rules. Same as before and no 5 points PF anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 It is being colorful, but easily explained... the fallen are somewhat of a shattered legion force. They hail from many different chapters, companies and squads. Hence unit insignia is very inconsistent. That's my take anyways. I saw the leaked pic... they are just chaos chosen with Veterans of the Long War upgrade (so that is 20 points per model) and without Champion of Chaos and Mark of Chaos spacial rules. Same as before and no 5 points PF anymore... That sucks... looks like I'll be houseruling them then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I've been looking over their markings and robe colors. Some have white Dark Angel chapter markings while others have red. Also, some have red robes while others white and checkerboards spread throughout . I wonder if these are markings according to the current fluff or just somebody adding color to the squad? They look pretty much identical to Forge World DA pictures from new HH book, though. They have red markings and different robes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJD Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I can't help but feel that GWs take on the fallen kit bash is just lazy. I have seen far better takes on what 30k dark angels might look like kit bashed on this site. They could at least have used the forge world shoulder pads with the 30k symbol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoK Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I'm going to use a mixture. It does say in the most recent image that some Fallen have made their markings look like post heresy Dark Angels symbols to denote that they are still loyal. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_12635/gallery_33122_12635_36733.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoK Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Dudes http://oi68.tinypic.com/14aiu7d.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoK Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 So what do you guys think? https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/07/all-good-in-the-hood-eddies-fallen-angels/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaeza94 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 *Looks at link, looks at own miniatures, tries not to cry, cries* Those are amazing! I also like how in GS3 they gave each fallen its own little narrative. some good, some bad, all interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoK Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I'm going to give all my Fallen a name and the Force itself a back ground. I'm thinking a full mercinary force, some still loyal, but most are basically Blackshields, casting off all allegiances except to each other. But they have all chosen to side with Guilliman, for the time being. Or I can go with an idea I've just had. Black Legion (Traitor Legions) CAD 'The Blackwing' (Fallen DA Termies) 1x Librarian (Sorceror) in TDA w/ Force Axe, Powerfist, Spell Familiar 1x Contemptor Dreadnought w/ Plasma Cannon, extra armour and Carapace havoc launcher 2x Terminator squads w/ power sword, power fist, chain fist and 2x lightning claws. Cypher 3x Fallen squads That should, if I've figured it right, work out at 2000pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Interesting, was hoping for more equipment choices though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 But there are combat shields shown in the Fallen set and that is not an option for Chaos Chosen. That's on the photoshop square. So I lean towards DA Vets rules. Thousand Sons exalted sorcerors come with 3 force khopeshes and no way of taking them in the rules. Box content means nothing in the realm of rushed rules writing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 SO: -Infiltrate (all) -Stubborn and ATSKNF + shrouded with Cypher -5 special weapons + probably combi option on champion -probably chaos heavy options (autocannon mentioned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoK Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Does anyone know the points values of equipment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Does anyone know the points values of equipment? Same as chosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoK Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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