Mellow Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Any good? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Same here. Is it any good or is it just bolterporn? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4672995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluxdeluxe Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 It's really good about a quarter of the way through writing and characterisation is up to Haleys usual high standards. There is a fair amount of fighting but interspersed with regular reveries back to Dantes childhood. Compared to the recent slop we've been handed recently it is excellent Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted March 4, 2017 Author Share Posted March 4, 2017 I don't like Astartes having reveries. It makes it seem like their minds wander when they are meant to be focussed. Razic 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 To be fair, Blood Angels are the chapter known for having their thoughts wander as part of their personality. It makes them greater than just the intense battle-focus you'd see from Imperial Fists or Iron Hands. Sanguinius himself said he wouldn't make a good Warmaster because his mind is always elsewhere, rather than dealing with the nitty-gritty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 When does Sanguinius say that? In Pharos somewhere? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 At the start of Fear to Tread when he's discussing being Warmaster with Horus, when he leaves his guards to go flying in Pharos, and in Herald of Sanguinius when basically no one can find him but decisions regarding rnning Imperium Secundus need to be taken care of. I'm not saying that the trait is necessarily bad, but it seems to make him far more ethereal than practical. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 I took that as he was talking about his wings. He says something along the lines of "It couldn't have been me, I'm (stares at wings) too far away." Horus at least looks human, so humanity can relate to him better. Gigantic angel wings means Sanguinius will always be a little to unrelatable. In my opinion at least, haven't read Fear to Tread in a little while though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluxdeluxe Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 I don't like Astartes having reveries. It makes it seem like their minds wander when they are meant to be focussed. in fairness at no point does Dante zone out into a pleasant day dream, its more my description that the book. The story jumps about between his childhood and current day. Haley also portrays Tyranids rather well in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) I don't like Astartes having reveries. It makes it seem like their minds wander when they are meant to be focussed.in fairness at no point does Dante zone out into a pleasant day dream, its more my description that the book. The story jumps about between his childhood and current day. Haley also portrays Tyranids rather well in my opinion. haha the idea of them just zoning out mid battle for a nostalgia trip is hilarious Edited March 5, 2017 by mc warhammer Marshal Loss and Phoebus 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 I'm damn eager to read this one. Having to wait til I get through some review copies first ticks me off. There looks to be a lot of cool stuff in it, and Haley's the Guy whose novels pretty much always strike home with me. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Not a BA fan by any stretch of the imagination, but if the Warhammer Community blurb from Haley is anything to go by, this will be a really formative work for BA fans. Tempted Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Just wish it would hurry up and arrive! BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Reveries in unguarded moments can work. For example the Khan flashing back to Ullanor, shortly after he's learned the Imperium is mired in civil war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4673496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drooling blood Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) Yeah. It was pretty good. Yeah theres some bolter porn, which was well the usual standard. A lot of the reveries, were during his time of trials. Which were fleshed out a bit and interesting. Travel to Angels Fall, selection, training, etc. He was always the guy that just did it cause he had to and survived. Well theres no one left, so have we guess your the sergeant, captain, chapter master. I didnt really like that theyve turned him into a special snowflake, so young. They could have made it so he took the next step because there was no one else that could. Then fate took him in its hands. Better to be lucky than good. Edited March 6, 2017 by drooling blood Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4674393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 In general Dante consists of 2 parts - one half of the book in no particular order contain Luis Dante youth - how he has become SM, how he moved through the ranks and how he became the person he is in year 998 W4OK. And the second in no particular order is aftermarth of Cryptus Campaign, the evacuation of Blood Angels from 'Shield of Baal' and their planning as what to do now with the incoming tyranid fleet directly threatening Baal. Also this book made partly as a Dante chronological/biography report and partly as a prequel for the incoming "The Devastation of Baal" Guy Haley Which would be released this october Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4678037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I'll have to pick this up :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4678079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I'll have to pick this up It's a strange novel - sometimes some scenes are brilliant (with Alien meet Blade Runner meet Mad Max vibe). But then it's shooty shooty poor charging mass of lovely termagants and self-doubt of 'struggling' commander (I do miss the times then SM in BL books does not suffer from despair, doubt and being scared, lol) Mirbeau 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4678087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 They've never been without their own internal struggles, doubts and fears. They process it differently from normal humans, but that doesn't make them immune to doubt or desperation. They just don't run away because of it. Just look at how the Luna Wolves acted when Horus got wounded, or the Thousand Sons' "fear" of the Flesh-Change. They're not godless killing machines without emotions, their emotions are merely blunter in most cases and they tend to let them out in righteous battle rather than by writing poetry and crying into their pillows - though the Blood Angels do still dabble in the arts. Arkangilos and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4678106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 They've never been without their own internal struggles, doubts and fears. They process it differently from normal humans, but that doesn't make them immune to doubt or desperation. They just don't run away because of it. Just look at how the Luna Wolves acted when Horus got wounded, or the Thousand Sons' "fear" of the Flesh-Change. They're not godless killing machines without emotions, their emotions are merely blunter in most cases and they tend to let them out in righteous battle rather than by writing poetry and crying into their pillows - though the Blood Angels do still dabble in the arts. You definitely forget pre-heresy (before Dan Abnett done that in Horus Rising) novels. Never ever they were the same since 2006. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4678111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluxdeluxe Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Without taking this off topic too much I completely agree marines would be useless without experiencing fear it's a more complex survival instinct that people give little credit to apart from RUN AWAY. Marines don't panic in a conventional sense what I've noticed is it magnifies the secondary emotions that are experienced as a product of fear, hate, anger, empathy , selflessness etc. It should be known no panic not know no fear although it doesn't sound as cool! To be honest I don't remember Dante being 'scared' once in this book just very introspective which is to be expected as a son of sanguinus and a 1500 year old! DarkChaplain, BLACK BLΠFLY and Beauceron 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4678114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Without taking this off topic too much I completely agree marines would be useless without experiencing fear it's a more complex survival instinct that people give little credit to apart from RUN AWAY. Marines don't panic in a conventional sense what I've noticed is it magnifies the secondary emotions that are experienced as a product of fear, hate, anger, empathy , selflessness etc. It should be known no panic not know no fear although it doesn't sound as cool! To be honest I don't remember Dante being 'scared' once in this book just very introspective which is to be expected as a son of sanguinus and a 1500 year old! He was 'worried' and particulary scared after Cryptus. Just remember how he talked with the serf. As for the 'know no fear' a little bit off topic too - but as it went with the 'Slaughter of the GC' - panicking SM and scared SM. It seems that Abnett depiction of SM is now a default value in BL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4678139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) I think "fear" should be graded on a curve. Every warrior fears failure. It's part of what drives them. The top athletes in the world have the same type of fears. The difference is that one of us would fear standing in front of 100,000 screaming fans, or facing a horde of Orkz. The athlete fears not putting enough spin on the ball and the SM fears that he can't kill the Orkz fast enough to move to the next objective on schedule. It should really be "and they shall know no panic" because that is really what they mean. They are simply so in control if their emotions (or humors as BL loves to call them) that they never do anything rash or let any one feeling overwhelm them. Except Rage. Rage is all the rage (hehe) in 40k. Edited March 10, 2017 by Indefragable Saa, DarkChaplain, HeritorA and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4679605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluxdeluxe Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Comparing slaughter at GC to to Dantes worries post deployment is a little disingenuous don't you think? DarkChaplain 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4679739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 SM "fear" failure, dishonour...but nothing, other than perhaps the Emperor or a primarch, could make SM feel instinctive fear of the stomach-turning, shaky kneed, sweaty palmed, wide-eyed variety HeritorA 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331618-dante/#findComment-4680060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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