Ahzek451 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Bit of a noob question so apologies in advance. Just a little confused as I'm transitioning from 40k to 30k. I know word bearers can takes allies from the daemon codex, but is it strictly just an allied detachment? Or can they also (or instead of) take daemon formations? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Strictly allies 30k does not have any way to use formations. Though 30k daemons so far do gain the Daemon princes of the rainstorm special characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4676550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 Can you take daemons as a primary army in Horus heresy games? I just looked at the PDF for the nurgle utterblight. Says he's a. Penal hq in a daemon primary detachment. Trying to figure out if in normal HH games you can just take a daemons army, or just strictly as word bearer allies? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4676560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Can you take daemons as a primary army in Horus heresy games? I just looked at the PDF for the nurgle utterblight. Says he's a. Penal hq in a daemon primary detachment. Trying to figure out if in normal HH games you can just take a daemons army, or just strictly as word bearer allies? Supposedly you can using the rules in Samus' profile. There will be a full Daemon lost with the next book it seems as that will feature signus. For no I think as long as you use the AOD foc it's fine to use the 40k book in that foc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4676579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 So where does it actually say anywhere that daemons are a playable primary detachment faction in 30k? So just to confirm, if a word bearers force decided to use one of the lords of the ruinstorm, the only way to do it is to take one as a lord of war. That being said, if you do that then you can't have lorgar in the same army correct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4677984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 You currently cannot take them as primary no. We house rule it. As for LoW, you can get 2 slots with an alternate force org. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4681081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 So where does it actually say anywhere that daemons are a playable primary detachment faction in 30k? So just to confirm, if a word bearers force decided to use one of the lords of the ruinstorm, the only way to do it is to take one as a lord of war. That being said, if you do that then you can't have lorgar in the same army correct? You currently cannot take them as primary no. We house rule it. As for LoW, you can get 2 slots with an alternate force org. Under Samus' Lord of the Ruinstorm special rule: "If Samus is selected in an army which uses Codex: Chaos Daemons as its Primary Detachment in Age of Darkness games, Samus may be counted as a HQ choice rather than as a Lords of War choice.If this is the case, then Samus must be the army’s Warlord and has the following Warlord trait rather than rolling to determine a trait." And then at the bottom in italics: Samus, Daemon Prince of the Ruinstorm, may be chosen as a Lords of War choice for the following armies in Age of Darkness games: Word Bearers Legiones Astartes and Codex: Chaos Daemons (see also the Lord of the Ruinstorm special rule). So yes, you can take daemons as a primary in 30k. Is it balanced? No, not really. Summoning and cheap units make it very hard to win Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4681115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Under Sammus yes. In general no. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4681979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 As explained above, Daemons are fine to use in Age of Darkness under certain restrictions: - Word Bearers can field them as Allies through the "Dark Brethren" Rite of War, and by taking Zardu Layak, Erebus or Kor Phaeron as your Warlord. - Imperialis Militia & Cults armies with the "Tainted Flesh" or "Cult Horde" Provenance can also field them as Allies. - finally, Cor'bax Utterblight & Samus allow Daemons to be fielded as a Primary Detachment, but note that they both have "Experimental Rules" at this stage. Should be fine for most people, provided you don't play too waac. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4682118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleRain Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Just to add, that in the cultists book it also says you can take cultists as allies for a Daemon army. There is no mention of having to use a special character for this. Which again backs up the fact you can use them in 30K and do not need the special characters. I have started using them and as mentioned they suffer with easy to kill units and summoning can be seen as just feeding your opponent when playing kill point missions. I think the biggest thing we are trying to work out at the moment in our group is if the expansions are also included (eg WD rules like D thirster and Be'lakor, plus expension books like Curse of the Wulfen and the Magnus book) As these came out after the rules stating 'Codex: Daemons' are they seen as part of the Codex or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4696453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Interesting side note, when you summon Daemons you can use the Khorne Daemonkin rules (including Blood Tithe) with summoned units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4697987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleRain Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Interesting side note, when you summon Daemons you can use the Khorne Daemonkin rules (including Blood Tithe) with summoned units. Really, how does that work. I thought if you summon you just get the basic units from the codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4698143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainMachete Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Interesting side note, when you summon Daemons you can use the Khorne Daemonkin rules (including Blood Tithe) with summoned units. Really, how does that work. I thought if you summon you just get the basic units from the codex The Age of Darkness rules just mention the Chaos Daemons codex, not the Daemonkin one, so I think that would be a hard sell to your opponent. Particularly since the Daemonkin ones are so much better (Fearless instead of Daemonic instability plus Blood Tithe). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4698153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Yeah that would not fly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331737-word-bearers-and-daemon-allies/#findComment-4698362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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