shakespear Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 How does it compare to 40k? Whats the average size? How long does it take to play? What is "the meta"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Think of 40k without Formations, Eldar, Tau or other shenanigans. 2.5k-3k. How long does it take you to play 2.5k - 3k games? What is your own local meta? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4683288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakespear Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Think of 40k without Formations, Eldar, Tau or other shenanigans. 2.5k-3k. How long does it take you to play 2.5k - 3k games? like 2 hours to play 1850 What is your own local meta? Nobody playing it here. I was just wondering if transports were viable, do people field super heavies? I see A LOT of lists built around Primarchs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4683292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Think of 40k without Formations, Eldar, Tau or other shenanigans. 2.5k-3k. How long does it take you to play 2.5k - 3k games? like 2 hours to play 1850 What is your own local meta? Nobody playing it here. I was just wondering if transports were viable, do people field super heavies? I see A LOT of lists built around Primarchs What do you mean by transports viable? They are almost compulsory. And lots of people do like their primarchs a lot of the time simply because that's one of the big draws to there Legion. On the other hand most super heavies are actually far more useful than the Primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4683299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I find heresy games are closer with less blowouts largely due to the missions and heresy era rules. Things are also much more lethal and you loose models fast despite the ubiquitous marine armour. Finally, I haven't played a 30k game where there wasn't a big decisive combat of some kind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4683468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darog Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 How does it compare to 40k? - Absolutely the same. Less psy powers, but balance is worse, stone scissors paper, like in 5th edition. Whats the average size? - 2500-3500 and more How long does it take to play? - like any typical 2000 point game, 3-5 h. What is "the meta"? It is depends. But hhis is more like narrative games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4683505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzilla Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 How does it compare to 40k? - Absolutely the same. Less psy powers, but balance is worse, stone scissors paper, like in 5th edition. Whats the average size? - 2500-3500 and more How long does it take to play? - like any typical 2000 point game, 3-5 h. What is "the meta"? It is depends. But hhis is more like narrative games. Though for the record, this is the first time I have ever heard 30k be regarded as having worse balance than 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4683528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
civsmitty Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I have a friend that refers to 30k as "40k for the mature gentlemen." There's a heavier emphasis on the story each game tells, rather than outright victory (this is my experience, anyway). You've got historic fluff rivalries adding to your local ones. Primarchs, famous names (I watched Sigismund duel Khârn, briefly), superheavies with limitations and fun rules. More emphasis on painted models. For me, the largest and best difference is that it's the old CAD system and 0-1 allies. No formations, but with alternate list building that allow for a different feel to the army. Plus all the hilarious randomness that populates these games. Ever seen a Primaris-Lightning one-shot an Acastus Knight Porphyrion? Or a tactical sgt take the last four hull points off a Fellblade while your Primarch glares furiously at being denied the glory kill? I managed both last game I played. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4683774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I've found HH games to be far more balanced and fair compared to 40k. The 25% rule for LoW's is huge. Also I love limited allying capabilities, it really drives people to plan their army more around a singular legion/army theme rather than mixing and matching units for the "best" rules result. Plus you can't beat FW's Horus Heresy campaign system, it's Insanely fun and adds a whole additional layer of strategy. The average length of a HH game for me is probably 4-ish hours @3000 points. Sometimes longer depending on who I'm playing against. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4683791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I'm extremely new to 30k with only a handful of games under my belt. How does it compare to 40k? Much more balanced, games lean more towards fluffy fun rather than win-at-any-cost type games. Whats the average size? We play between 2,000 - 3,000 How long does it take to play? We average out 2-3 hours a game, but we are quiet new to it so we might be taking longer than normal. What is "the meta"? The legions vary a great deal, from Tank heavy, to Infanty heavy, from shooty to stabby, so it really depends on what legions you will be collecting / fighting against. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4683824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakespear Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 What legions would be considered tank heavy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4683919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyTurtle Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 "Like 40k but without Tau or Eldar"....sold! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4683971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Almost any legion can be tank heavy, but when it comes to the ones that have perks for doing it: Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, and Dark Angels come to mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4684115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakespear Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 I think I would like to try Ironwing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4684119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robzilla Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Oddly blood angels can make a very nice tank list too. All legions can do tank lists, just some do them better than others. Basically, you can select a rite of war, that allows you to customise your list, but with a few drawbacks. Some examples include having dreads as troops, loads of veterans, or having sacrificial human allies. There's an absolute ton of them. Also each legion gets a couple exclusive to themselves. For tanks, there's two varieties of general rites you can go for. Armoured Breakthrough : all infantry must be mounted, but instead of rhinos, you can take land raiders. You also get bonus to tank shock too. Armoured spearhead: predators as troops, and your 3hp vehicles become fast. I may have got the names mixed up... Anyway: the land raider one is great for armies focused on combat or close range shooting. Death guard, space wolves and world eaters spring to mind. The predator one is quite good for fast legions or ones that can upgrade tanks, blood angels*, white scars, and iron hands are ace here. Iron hands and dark angels also get tank specific rites of war but I haven't looked into them too much. *blood angels can do this rite and powerfully but it's quite restrictive, so look into it before you buy a million tanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4684153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 How does it compare to 40k? Whats the average size? How long does it take to play? What is "the meta"? Imagine riding a golden train through a tunnel of how you felt when you started the hobby that opens into a wide a vista of beautiful models and conversions. There are flocks of xiphons and fire raptors nestled in the trees while grazing triarios are guarded by dutiful Sicaran shepherds. In the distance you see beautiful mountains of cityfight terrain, and villages of space marines in older marks of armor. All this is tied together by the golden radiance of Alan Bligh's face looking down on his creation, providing warmth and love for the world to grow. Then imagine that train is taken over by power gaming terrorists who kill people by talking about how crappy X is compared to Y or complaining that their faction is underpowered all the while showering you with poorly converted and overly airbrushed models. That's 30k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4684203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirbeau Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 How does it compare to 40k? Whats the average size? How long does it take to play? What is "the meta"? There's a few youtube channels that have good sample games on them - the 30k channel is one. Generally games are very lethal, objective based, still shooty but with combat being more decisive than 40k. Loads of varying missions and deployment types. I like smaller games, but typically between 2k-3k. Depends on size. Thankfully, the players I know disregard the 'meta'. That sort of attitude is frowned upon from my interactions with 30k players in the UK , generally most I've met are former 40k players who got sick of all that and are in it for the narrative (along with loving the 30k background and miniatures). That said, the most net-listy armies contain minimum vet squads as troops, along with plenty of leviathans and quad mortars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4684445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 How does it compare to 40k? Whats the average size? How long does it take to play? What is "the meta"? Imagine riding a golden train through a tunnel of how you felt when you started the hobby that opens into a wide a vista of beautiful models and conversions. There are flocks of xiphons and fire raptors nestled in the trees while grazing triarios are guarded by dutiful Sicaran shepherds. In the distance you see beautiful mountains of cityfight terrain, and villages of space marines in older marks of armor. All this is tied together by the golden radiance of Alan Bligh's face looking down on his creation, providing warmth and love for the world to grow. Then imagine that train is taken over by power gaming terrorists who kill people by talking about how crappy X is compared to Y or complaining that their faction is underpowered all the while showering you with poorly converted and overly airbrushed models. That's 30k. I take offense to being called a terrorist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4684472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 See, I think a fine line between competition and fluff is tread between all the members of my heresy community. There's some sort of unspoken rule or gentlemens agreement on what units are allowable and not. That's not to say you can't take Leviathans, Magnus, or sniper vets, but when you have podded Leviathan talons, apothecary IH quad mortars, or other shenanigans, most people will look at you funny. I think the community has largely regulated itself. Most people would prefer to lose games than lose friends, especially in a niche of a niche game. This doesn't mean you can't fight with hard lists, it just means that you need to understand what you're getting yourself into. Also, I find 2500 points to be the sweet spot. 3000 is the best by far though. And apocalypse is just freakin fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4684483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
civsmitty Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 One of the most important things to remember is to play what you want, and what you like, not what other people tell you to want/like. I've a friend who swears by his destroyers and uses them to great effect. I like Seekers and anything with the word "laser" in it. And remember... This game's fun, ok? Fun god it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4685049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I must avoid this thread. For my health and that of my wallet, I must avoid this thread henceforth! Too tempting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4685186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I must avoid this thread. For my health and that of my wallet, I must avoid this thread henceforth! Too tempting. Soooooo see you in a month when you're back here? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4685261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Assist Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 30k has CHOOM. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4685339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoLifeKing Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 How does it compare to 40k? Whats the average size? How long does it take to play? What is "the meta"? I have a big and still growing 30k group in my area, and across finland in general. I have around 50+ games under my belt and its against different legions and different players. I have collected roughly 5000 points of Word Bearers legion, and recently started building ultramarine force. I am confident in the truth in what i am about to say: Does it Compare to 40k? I can't overstate how much more i enjoy playing and even watching other people play 30k over 40k. Missions are better, and despite how the people across the web cry over phosphex or some other supposedly "overpowered" stuff in the age of darkness, the different armies/factions are in better balance than 40k ever has been i think. You can play an army or faction you like, in a way you like and be able to compete in tournament enviroment. Fluff is strong and every game of 30k i've played has been fun, even when losing. And lastly the best part is that 90% of the games i play, the winner isn't clear untill the very end, so no "calling it a game" after turn two. Whats the avarage size? i would say that a 2500 point game in heresy could be compared to 1500 in the original 40k enviroment. i personaly enjoy playing 3000p and up the most. but the tournaments we have are usualy from 1750 to 2500 points. How long does it take to play? Most of the games i and my group play go around 3-4h and not much more What is "the meta" ? As far as i've seen, there is no real "meta" in age of darkness if were being completely honest and leaving all childish bitterness and jealousy aside. Every legion has their own strenghts and weaknesses and can be played in multiple different ways, depending on the generals preference. There is no clear line of "this thing is better than anything else and therefore must be spammend", and what ever the salty people write in the web, phosphex isn't overpowered and the custodians aren't a broken army. All in all i would say that 30k is way better than 40k is in its current state, only real downside i can find in the Horus Heresy is that it offers nothing to the xeno enthusiasts as all of the factions available are drawn from humanity. But hey, thats what the horus heresy is supposed to be about, about the imperium of man and its brutal civil war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4685377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelias Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I've seen more of the power gaming aspect creep in with the release of plastics sadly but hopefully it won't escalate and they'll all go back to 40k now that Primarchs are "awakening" and such. My sound advise is play whichever army you want to play, the way you want to play it and enjoy it, get behind the narrative and my greatest tip......... Embrace Zone Mortalis it can be huge amounts of fun while you get used to the Heresy rule set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/#findComment-4685395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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