Raktra Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 It's like being kissed on the mouth by God. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4686442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoic Raptor Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 "Expensive"? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4686750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelias Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 "Expensive"? Doesn't have to be, with the 2 box sets to choose from you can easily muster 1000 points for some zone mortalis games while you stick some cash away to expand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4686847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoic Raptor Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 ...but then you also have to buy the books. And those cost more than the box sets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4686916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 "Expensive"? Doesn't have to be, with the 2 box sets to choose from you can easily muster 1000 points for some zone mortalis games while you stick some cash away to expand. Through shenanigans, I got 2000 points from my first BOP box :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4686945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 ...but then you also have to buy the books. And those cost more than the box sets. £64 for all the rules you need. Only costs more if you want SW/1ksons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4686956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakespear Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 What book does have the rules BTW? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4686972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321184-new-to-30k-what-books-do-i-need/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4686977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCore67 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 It may just be my local meta, but to us 30k is super destructive. Like the first two turns consist of everyone unleashing the full fury of the legions on each other, wiping out most of our armies. Then the rest of the game is the survivors kicking and scratching at each other and trying to get a grip on objectives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4687025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 It may just be my local meta, but to us 30k is super destructive. Like the first two turns consist of everyone unleashing the full fury of the legions on each other, wiping out most of our armies. Then the rest of the game is the survivors kicking and scratching at each other and trying to get a grip on objectives. I think it really depends on the armies mechanicum militia Auxilla and some legions really lend themselves to shooting fest. Some other legions don't bring a lot of firepower as they dedicate more to.combat and honestly don't do much pain until turns 3 onwards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4687039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoLifeKing Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 It may just be my local meta, but to us 30k is super destructive. Like the first two turns consist of everyone unleashing the full fury of the legions on each other, wiping out most of our armies. Then the rest of the game is the survivors kicking and scratching at each other and trying to get a grip on objectives. I think it really depends on the armies mechanicum militia Auxilla and some legions really lend themselves to shooting fest. Some other legions don't bring a lot of firepower as they dedicate more to.combat and honestly don't do much pain until turns 3 onwards. In my personal experience this is often the case, legionaries fall in droves during the 2nd and 3rd turns especially. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4687075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 It may just be my local meta, but to us 30k is super destructive. Like the first two turns consist of everyone unleashing the full fury of the legions on each other, wiping out most of our armies. Then the rest of the game is the survivors kicking and scratching at each other and trying to get a grip on objectives.I think it really depends on the armies mechanicum militia Auxilla and some legions really lend themselves to shooting fest. Some other legions don't bring a lot of firepower as they dedicate more to.combat and honestly don't do much pain until turns 3 onwards. In my personal experience this is often the case, legionaries fall in droves during the 2nd and 3rd turns especially. Agreed. It can be decisive, but it is by no means an endgame like 40k can be. You're not dropping all your points into gimmicks or a few single units (at least if you're not a fool in 30k). I think people have learned from this to make beta strike lists or more survivable ones to strike back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4687092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaEndymion Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 One nice difference I've been enjoying in 30k compared to 40k is the fact that morale actually seems to have an impact on the game. In 40k there is simply too much ATSKNF or fearless, or high leadership armies with lots of re-rolls. Fear almost seems pointless, and half the time the only units that run away are ones that wouldn't do much if they stuck around anyway. In 30k however, even the Custodes can be ran down in combat or forced to flee. Fear comes into its own (Especially with Night Lords). I've had many games where a failed leadership test turns the tide of the battle. Sure there is some fearless stuff, but its not anywhere near as common and in this time period Space Marines know fear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4687974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelias Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 One nice difference I've been enjoying in 30k compared to 40k is the fact that morale actually seems to have an impact on the game. In 40k there is simply too much ATSKNF or fearless, or high leadership armies with lots of re-rolls. Fear almost seems pointless, and half the time the only units that run away are ones that wouldn't do much if they stuck around anyway. In 30k however, even the Custodes can be ran down in combat or forced to flee. Fear comes into its own (Especially with Night Lords). I've had many games where a failed leadership test turns the tide of the battle. Sure there is some fearless stuff, but its not anywhere near as common and in this time period Space Marines know fear. yeah that's an excellent point, stuff like that really tells it apart from 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4688132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 30k doesn't have Tau or Eldar but Mechanicum is pretty close. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4688150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 30k doesn't have Tau or Eldar but Mechanicum is pretty close.But Legion's have tools to deal with them - Leviatjans to take down monsters, Grav to slow them down, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4688359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 How does it compare to 40k? Whats the average size? How long does it take to play? What is "the meta"? Imagine riding a golden train through a tunnel of how you felt when you started the hobby that opens into a wide a vista of beautiful models and conversions. There are flocks of xiphons and fire raptors nestled in the trees while grazing triarios are guarded by dutiful Sicaran shepherds. In the distance you see beautiful mountains of cityfight terrain, and villages of space marines in older marks of armor. All this is tied together by the golden radiance of Alan Bligh's face looking down on his creation, providing warmth and love for the world to grow. Then imagine that train is taken over by power gaming terrorists who kill people by talking about how crappy X is compared to Y or complaining that their faction is underpowered all the while showering you with poorly converted and overly airbrushed models. That's 30k. The beginning of this post gave me the warmest, fluffiest feeling I have ever had in the hobby. The second part gave me a cold sweat. I rarely get to play these days, but usually I play my Death Guard, Alpha Legion or Iron Warriors. I find the Heresy a much more balanced and enjoyable ruleset to play with than 40k. The disparity between armies is not nearly as large (you certainly won't have the CSM vs Eldar/Tau issue). The "meta" is a bit difficult for me to tell as me and my mates generally play more fluffy stuff and conduct less powergaming. I play what I enjoy and what I find visually appealing. I love Leviathan Dreadnoughts, which is why I own at least one per legion for example. If I were to compare it with another one of my hobbies, Magic the Gathering, then Horus Heresy is definitely the Commander format (that is to say, pricey but more relaxed and less competitive) and 40k is Standard/Modern (a hyper competitive format. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4688413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoic Raptor Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 ...but then you also have to buy the books. And those cost more than the box sets. £64 for all the rules you need. Only costs more if you want SW/1ksons. ... or Dark Angels. So for either of my favorite Legions, my outlay for books alone would be about $146 including shipping. So yes, I stand by my statement that the books alone for this game cost as much as either of the GW box sets. That's what's kept me from exploring 30K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4691695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 ...but then you also have to buy the books. And those cost more than the box sets. £64 for all the rules you need. Only costs more if you want SW/1ksons. ... or Dark Angels. So for either of my favorite Legions, my outlay for books alone would be about $146 including shipping. So yes, I stand by my statement that the books alone for this game cost as much as either of the GW box sets. That's what's kept me from exploring 30K. You know there is a thing called google? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4691728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 ...but then you also have to buy the books. And those cost more than the box sets. £64 for all the rules you need. Only costs more if you want SW/1ksons. ... or Dark Angels. So for either of my favorite Legions, my outlay for books alone would be about $146 including shipping. So yes, I stand by my statement that the books alone for this game cost as much as either of the GW box sets. That's what's kept me from exploring 30K. You could buy the e book versions, I believe they are cheaper. Though you miss on the tangible glory of the black books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4691889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Meh, the black books are overrated in my opinion. Everything they provide eventually appears in a wiki and the book is not feasible for easy transportion/gaming. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4691937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Meh, the black books are overrated in my opinion. Everything they provide eventually appears in a wiki and the book is not feasible for easy transportion/gaming. I a sucker for collecting stuff so i have to buy the books.....Plus chicks love em ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4691954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Meh, the black books are overrated in my opinion. Everything they provide eventually appears in a wiki and the book is not feasible for easy transportion/gaming. I a sucker for collecting stuff so i have to buy the books.....Plus chicks love em Ha, if I only chicks actually dug nerds, I'd be a heck-uv-lot more popular lmao. I like the books just because I'm old-fashioned and prefer reading a physical book rather than from my ipad. And you can't grasp all the nuances of the fluff when you read about it on Lexicanum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4691976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Meh, the black books are overrated in my opinion. Everything they provide eventually appears in a wiki and the book is not feasible for easy transportion/gaming. Lol thats like saying I won't miss any of the allure of the original Star Wars trilogy by just reading the free Star Wars Wiki. You miss the cinematography, action, and roleplay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4691993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Runefyre: I prefer reading off of dead trees, and will commit when I play the legion in the book, but it's damn hard to purchase one of the black books when I don't play any of the legions inside. Depthcharge: well, ones a movie and more immersive than the FW book. The movie is also more affordable than the book. Apples and Oranges here. One of the hardest parts of recruiting players is the cost of the books, which becomes a tougher sell with gw/FW prices Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331939-so-what-is-a-game-of-30k-like/page/2/#findComment-4692073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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