montambro Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Hey Everyone, I have an event later this week against traitor alpha legion. I will be bringing my loyalist iron warriors. I have never played against them so I am excited. Let me know what you think. Army: Loyalist Iron Warriors ROW: Pride of the Legion Points: 3k Hq: Kry Vhalen 195 pts (provide close combat sec for 8 marksman squad, battle logistician-confer reroll hits of 1' for iron havocs, shatter defenses: - 1 cover save for a piece of terrain in enemies deployment zone) Siege Breaker 135 pts (with 8 man marksman squad, took him for phosphex) artificer armor, pfist, refractor field Elites: Quad Mortar 90 pts phosphex, shatter shells quad mortar 90 pts phosphex, shatter shells quad mortar 90 pts phosphex, shatter shells quad mortar 90 pts phosphex, shatter shells troops: veteran squad 265 pts 9 x vets 1 x sgt marksman nuncio vox 2 x plasma gun sgts w/ artificer, pfist rhino w/ dozer veteran squad 265 pts 9 x vets 1 x sgt marksman nuncio vox 2 x plasma gun sgt w/ artificer, pfist rhino w/ dozer veteran squad 211 pts 7 x vets 1x sgt marksman nuncio vox sgt w/ artificer, pfist rhino w/ dozer heavy support: Iron havocs 420 pts 8 x havocs 1 x sgt 8 x rockets sgt w/ rocket and artificer and augury scanner legion artillery squadron 310 pts 2 x medusas sicaran battle tank 230 pts armored ceramite, dozer blade, lascannon sponsons LOW: Legion stromblade legion crew armored ceramite 2 x lascannon/hbolter sponsons Fortification: Imperial Bastion 100 pts void shield 3011 pts Tactics: Have kry Vallen and siege breaker with a marksman unit. Provide CCB security for it with really good Close combat stats WS 6, s5 Paragon blade, I 5, A 4, 2'4'' save. As well as confer reroll 1+'s for iron havocs, and -1 cover save for enemy piece of terrain. combined with havocs will be -2 cover. Use them to outflank. Siege breaker provides the army with phosphex shells. Mortars: Do what they do best. Use Phosphex on troops/ shatter for close range troops and 36' range light trasports and dreds. Sicaran provide flexibility as well as hunt medium infantry and tanks. Iron havocs hold up on top of imperial bastion and Kill big targets and vehicles Medusa's focus on infiltrating infantry. Stromblade: Kill whats left. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331999-3k-loyalist-iron-warriors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Overall looks like a fairly solid list, but I think there's a few changes you can make to improve it. First off, the master of signals is a waste of pts. With bs5 and reroll 1s, bs6 is absolutely useless on the havocs, and the combat power of one centurion isn't going to protect the iron havocs from any dedicated assault unit. You can take nuncio voxes on the veterans, so really no need for the MoS. The havocs would really benefit from a bunker to protect them since they are a high value target, plus without a fortification you're wasting Kyr's rule that improves a fortification. Dropping the MoS gives you the pts for that bunker. I also wouldn't mix weapons in the havocs, better to have them all dedicated to one weapon. I'd say stick with missiles, they are versatile and not that expensive. Lastly I'd give all your veterans special weapons, there's no reason to just have them stick with bolters. Plasma guns are always a solid choice, but I might also consider heavy bolters because rending shrapnel bolts is nice for forcing pinning tests. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331999-3k-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-4685215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angmarred Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I agree that the MoS is a waste. If you're putting the siege breaker with a vet squad you're crazy to not give them Melta and machine killers. Even AC can't withstand a barrage of s9 ap1 tank hunter sbots. Definitely go all Missiles on the havocs. They're your best AA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331999-3k-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-4685230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Thanks a lot for the help. I made a few corrections. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331999-3k-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-4685249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 If you're putting the siege breaker with a vet squad you're crazy to not give them Melta and machine killers. Even AC can't withstand a barrage of s9 ap1 tank hunter sbots. The Siege Breaker's rule "Art of Destruction" only works on Heavy weapons - meltaguns and combi-meltas are Assault. But the Siege Breaker needs to go somewhere though, I suppose. Bastion is ok. Wall of Martyrs Bunker is better, and so is the Void Shield Generator. Putting multi-meltas on the Rhinos is highly recommended. Makes them actually quite useful! To pay for those changes, I'd swap the Sicaran Battle Tank for a Sicaran Venator (just give it a dozer blade). Will be a good Super-heavy deterrent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331999-3k-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-4685657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 I agree. The siege breaker wasnt maximized. He went with a normal 8 man marksman unit with kyr. But needed him for mortars. Bastion served well. With void shield it helped protect my havocs. Took alpharous and special termi friends to blow it up in combat. What cover save does a bastion confer? 3+? We played it as a 4+. But am I selling myself short? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331999-3k-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-4685702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angmarred Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 If you're putting the siege breaker with a vet squad you're crazy to not give them Melta and machine killers. Even AC can't withstand a barrage of s9 ap1 tank hunter sbots.The Siege Breaker's rule "Art of Destruction" only works on Heavy weapons - meltaguns and combi-meltas are Assault. But the Siege Breaker needs to go somewhere though, I suppose. Bastion is ok. Wall of Martyrs Bunker is better, and so is the Void Shield Generator. Putting multi-meltas on the Rhinos is highly recommended. Makes them actually quite useful! To pay for those changes, I'd swap the Sicaran Battle Tank for a Sicaran Venator (just give it a dozer blade). Will be a good Super-heavy deterrent. Oh F that. How did I never notice that. That stinks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331999-3k-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-4685743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 Multi meltas never work for me. And i dont have any combi meltas. Also i was playing alpha legion. A full infantry army. He only had one spartan and one sicaran. Both got rocked. Sooo the melta vets wouldnt of been effective anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331999-3k-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-4685972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angmarred Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Any chance you would drop a HS for some siege tyrants? That's a really good place for a Siege Breaker Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331999-3k-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-4686345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 After playing the game I def would. I have realized that the stormblade is a fun and very fluffy tank but it never pulls its points back. Most people bubble wrap their cheese in a Spartan (flare shield -2 for blast. so now only 1 str 8 hit...) and then you have to pay 100 pts for 2 lascannons a 2 hbolters. not worth it for 3k games... Next time I would drop the stormblade and take tyrants. They always make their points back and are savages. I also enjoy rocket havocs. But the medusas wont normally live long enough to kill a Spartan (always get rocked by alpha striking leviathans or an outflanker unit). and then the havocs wont be able to because of the flare shield. I def wanna take some lascannon havocs within the rocket squad or a venator for precaution. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331999-3k-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-4686673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
montambro Posted March 16, 2017 Author Share Posted March 16, 2017 I would take something like this next go around. Army: Iron Warriors Faction: Traitoris ROW: Primarch's Chosen Pts: 3k HQ: Perturabo 490 pts after istavan Siege breaker 130 pts cataphractii, combi bolter, power axe elites: quad mortar 90 pts phoz/shatter shells quad mortar 90 pts phoz/shatter shells quad mortar 90 pts phozphex/shatter shells quad mortar 90 pts phoz/shatter shells troops: vets 255 pts 9 x vets 1 x sgt marksman 2 x plasma guns sgt w/ artificer/pfist rhino w/ dozer blade vets 255 pts 9 x vets 1 x sgt marksman 2 x plasma sgt w/ artificer/pfist rhino w/ dozer blade vets 325 pts 9 x vets 1 x sgt machine killer 2 x melta guns 7 x combi meltas sgt w/ artificer and pfist rhino w/ dozer blade Heavy Support: Iron Havocs 375 pts 9 x havocs 1 x sgt 9 x rockets sgt w/ rocket artificer and augury scanner sicaran battle tank 230 pts lascannons, armored ceramite dozer blade tyrant siege terminators 260 pts 7 x tyrants 1 x siege master 3 x chainfists Fortification: Imperial Bastion 120 pts ammunition dump (reroll 1's within to hit while within 2 inches--havocs) void shield (av 12 barrier to shooting, when glanced or pen in goes down. on a 5+ it is restored) 3,000 pts even Tactics: Pert and siege breaker with tyrants. Deep strike deep on turn one and shoot... mortars- shoot phoz at troops, or shatter at rhinos Machine killer vets outflank to kill deep big bad shooty marksman vets possible outflank depending on army. havocs in bastion (reroll 1s with ammo dump, bs 5, tank hunter, -1 to enemy cover save) shoot tanks sicaran- provide fast, and flexible base of fire. rinse and repeat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331999-3k-loyalist-iron-warriors/#findComment-4686710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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