Azorius Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Previously, a few years ago, before publication of the first Black Book, the First Legion's number has been supposed to be around 150,000. 30 Orders each 5,000 marines, so 5,000x30 = 150,000 However, it has already been retconned - Forge World Books clearly state the Dark Angels are one of the largest Legions along with the Iron Warriors(Massacre) and they once possessed around 216,000+ Astartes and recovered their initial strength prior Heresy. Retribution explicitly confirmed that even after the Rangdan, the Dark Angels were still a powerful and independent Legion, supremely capable of replenishing its rank, procuring supply and operating independently. Moreover, according to the Forge World, Dark Angels have control over numerous void outposts and watch fortresses...all of these are viable recruitment facilities/headquarters. They also have jurisdiction over 'Skarasan Deep' and 'Mausolia Angelis' - specific stellar regions, such as star clusters? Whatever it means, we will see in Angelus. These assets are unimaginably immense and powerful. How much? In Wolf King, a single Dark Angels watch fortress and attendant fleet mauled main fleet of the Alpha Legion, which had crippled and then nearly annihilated entire fleet of the Wolves. And in the same book, Dark Angels commander confesses sorta 'we are more powerful than any other period'. Considering the Legion's strength prior Rangdan Xenocides, it is a very meaningful statement. Nor strength of the First Legion is limited to number of the Astartes. All factors and indexes are consistently indicating the Dark Angels fleet strength is truly vast, secondary only to the Imperial Fists, and one of their primary speciality is void warfare and extended period of independent fleet operations, further reinforced by unknown number of void outposts and watch fortresses and bolstered from peerless technological expertise and monopoly of marvelous DAoT relics and forbidden archeotech. So I think it would be safe to presume that Dark Angels have at least 200,000+ Legionary in total during the heresy and probably as many as the Ultamarines or the Word Bearers, supplemented by truly formidable fleet and void assets, potentially rivaling the Imperial Fists. The First Legion, magnificently fearsome and redoubtable Legion indeed. Any speculation and conjecture regarding the topic is welcomed. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Is there like a question here , or a topic for discussion or did you just wanna gush about the 1st? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4689508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 Is there like a question here , or a topic for discussion or did you just wanna gush about the 1st? Discussion. Conjecture and speculation. Let's brainstorm about topic! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4689516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternus Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 *snip* or did you just wanna gush about the 1st? Think ya might have hit the nail on the head here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4689525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 *snip* or did you just wanna gush about the 1st? Think ya might have hit the nail on the head here. Not really. I just want to describe my opinion and hear other people's ideas, too! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4689535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Is there like a question here , or a topic for discussion or did you just wanna gush about the 1st? As a noted 1st legion fanboy, I have to be objective and agree with you :P lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4689539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 or did you just wanna gush about the 1st? Don't we all? Seriously though, it seems the DA, as with the IF, have gained huge prominence under Forge World, rivalling the repute of the UM and LW (some add SW to that list, I don't know enough to have a clear opinion on that matter). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4689549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Styphus Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Yeah, we're pretty cool. No big deal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4689567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only conjecture. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4689592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 or did you just wanna gush about the 1st? Don't we all? Seriously though, it seems the DA, as with the IF, have gained huge prominence under Forge World, rivalling the repute of the UM and LW (some add SW to that list, I don't know enough to have a clear opinion on that matter). Originally, the Dark Angels were the most prominent, and also the most powerful and numerous Legion. They were explicitly stated the single most powerful Imperial force. However, the catastrophic Rangdan Xenocides severely reduced them - their reputation was tarnished, their ranks depleted, their strength declined. But still, even after prevailing the Darkest War and saved the nascent Imperium from its utter devastation, they were one of the most powerful, numerous and feted Legion, one of so-called 'paragons' of the Imperium, a legion of peerless deeds and renown. So yeah, under Forge Worlds' auspice, star of the First Legion is soaring, so does the Luna Wolves and the Imperial Fists. In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only conjecture. And discussion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4690149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I'm all for the dark angels being a really big legion, since it would add another hard-hitter to the loyalist side. But i'm wondering if the parts of the legion that is stuck on caliban is counted into the mix, and how many those constitute. It would also mean that the dark angels had the numbers to signifacntly help in the mop-up of terra and scouring after that, unless fw does something serious with the thramas campaign or invents something to deplete their numbers on the way to terra with the rout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4690201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ikka Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Maybe its just me, but I don't really see any sort of discussion-worthy questions or ideas here. It just seems to be all about proclaiming the DA are great. Which is fine, I guess, but even as a DA fan I don't really believe there is any true conversation here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4690203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 Maybe its just me, but I don't really see any sort of discussion-worthy questions or ideas here. It just seems to be all about proclaiming the DA are great. Which is fine, I guess, but even as a DA fan I don't really believe there is any true conversation here. Um...I simply wished to know whether other people, especially DA fans such as you, have similar opinion similar as mine, or not. I just wanted to post my opinion, and hear other people's diverse opinions. If it seems OP is all about proclaiming glory and greatness of the DA, then I'm sorry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4690259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azorius Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 I'm all for the dark angels being a really big legion, since it would add another hard-hitter to the loyalist side. But i'm wondering if the parts of the legion that is stuck on caliban is counted into the mix, and how many those constitute. It would also mean that the dark angels had the numbers to signifacntly help in the mop-up of terra and scouring after that, unless fw does something serious with the thramas campaign or invents something to deplete their numbers on the way to terra with the rout. It seems DA's overall numeric strength, restored to its pre-Rangdan state, is aggregating the Lion-leading DA and various sub-detachments, and including loyalist Lutherite-such as those featured in the Wolf King-, but excluding Calibanite and other traitor elements. They are the Fallen Angels, another Legion in all but name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4690295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Maybe its just me, but I don't really see any sort of discussion-worthy questions or ideas here. It just seems to be all about proclaiming the DA are great. Which is fine, I guess, but even as a DA fan I don't really believe there is any true conversation here. There isn't a conversation here. There's a desire for verification and little else, and I really don't care for these kinds of threads because they have no real substance and the creators of such threads tend to have no intention of listening to anyone's opinion that contravenes their own and what they want to hear about their favorite Legion; sometimes even in the face of overwhelming facts to the contrary as officially written by Forge World. http://i.imgur.com/u9yQtVs.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332175-the-numeric-strength-of-the-heresy-dark-angels/#findComment-4690331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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