How to defeat a Sagittar/Decima combo

[StaggerLee]

I posted this in another thread but thought id ask for a more general audience. 

Im currently running iron hands at 3k but REALLY struggling. I run an almost pure vehicle based army, he runs mechanicum with an ordinatus saggitar with calleb decima. 

For anyone wondering what this means:

10" Strength D ap1 that re rolls 1s on the D chart.

Calleb gives it +1 on the pen chart that DOES accumulate with ap bonuses meaning +3 to damage charts. Meaning no matter what, ive lost a gun right off the bat when it shoots. :/

 

How do i deal with it?

[Dreagher]

Apart from spreading out as far as possible, would droppoding a bunch of anti armour units work? Or does he bubblewrap it to well?

If you can manage to be in his lines turn two he might have trouble to finde targets without hitting his own guys.

 

I have to admit I don't know enough about that thing (other than it being nasty) to give more tips

[StaggerLee]

he bubble raps it in 20 man peltast blobs :/

[Purge the Daemon]

It's got armoured ceramite and d weapons and strength value weapons don't hurt it. But what actually destroys this monster is haywire it has no defense beyond a 6++ vs haywire it's shields don't matter it's high av doesn't matter just hullpoints. So in all seriousness take some gravitron rapiers.

 

Lightning also can hurt it you just don't want to target front armour the side armour still has flare shields but with tank hunters you should on average be able to get some pens in since you don't come in turn 1 when the shield is at max.

[StaggerLee]

i tried that, but he always opts to go second so he can move the ordinatus away from them :/

[Fenbain]

He sounds like a friend you shouldn't play honestly. Super gamey. Let them know that your games aren't fun and hope he takes your feelings into account?

[helterskelter]

IH Grav support squad with librarian, I'm away from the book but I think there's a power in biomancy to fish for that'd give relentless to the libs squad? Rhino up, deploy, cast power, 10 grav shots.

Backed up with 5 grav speeders and some grav rapier and what you have is a Hesh special.

[StaggerLee]

oh no its ok, i like the challenge and narrative games! just curious for everyone elses take on dealing with it? Honestly its ok its just the 700pts one. its not like the Ulator which he could also field with leviathan chart. 

[Purge the Daemon]

oh no its ok, i like the challenge and narrative games! just curious for everyone elses take on dealing with it? Honestly its ok its just the 700pts one. its not like the Ulator which he could also field with leviathan chart.

If you want to rip him apart though go onslaught take 2 warhounds with double d first turn you focus on everything but the ordinary 8 large D templates should essentially destroy most of his army. There's a very slim chance his 1 D shot kills your warhounds and only 1 at most at this point you can either literally elimantr any of his board presence remaining and on the 3rd turn where he still has most likely failed to bring down a warhounds you focus on the ordinatus and essentially table him.

 

The biggest downfalls of the ordinatus are it's inability to kill primarchs, its inability to survive combat with a knight or similar chassis and it's inability to actually kill other super heavies without hot dice.

[StaggerLee]

erm on the first turn D weapons have -3 on the D chart.... so its quite hard to do. And i cant afford money wise 2 warhounds haha. plus thats taking 1500pts to deal with a 700pts model.... 

[Purge the Daemon]

erm on the first turn D weapons have -3 on the D chart.... so its quite hard to do. And i cant afford money wise 2 warhounds haha. plus thats taking 1500pts to deal with a 700pts model....

That's the point it's you don't focus the sagittar but you destroy his army supporting it first. Then when the shields are down you templates it.

 

If it's bubble wrapped to the point you can't reach it your other strategy is to play to objectives which if he fires a d weapon at each turn hopefully you can still score points. In which case take tech thrills in pain trains and sit 6 units of them at mac coherency and go sit on objectives.

 

Also even if you spend more than 700 killing it and it defences are far more than 700 worth when it does it goes mega boom.

 

Your next best strategy is a knight archeron. You flame the units in front of it fire the heavy bolter at the ordinatus and slap it with the d chainfist.

[NoLifeKing]

erm on the first turn D weapons have -3 on the D chart....

what sort of rule is this and where do i find it? besides, what the heck is a D chart in age of darkness anyway? i thought we're all using the improved version of destroyer weapons when D hits deal 1+d3 automatic wounds/pens on the target

[Purge the Daemon]

 

 

erm on the first turn D weapons have -3 on the D chart....

what sort of rule is this and where do i find it? besides, what the heck is a D chart in age of darkness anyway? i thought we're all using the improved version of destroyer weapons when D hits deal 1+d3 automatic wounds/pens on the target

The ordinatus has a special flare sheild.

It effects it's front and side armour. It starts off at -3 to D weapons and to normal S weaoons. Each game turn it's reduced by 1 until it's -1 which it stays at for the rest of the game.

 

Couple with the fact it's 14/13/13 has 14hp armoured ceramics and has a 6++ it's very hard to kill.

[NoLifeKing]

Damn the mechanicus have some really messed up toys in their arsenal, i guess i need to read their books more thoroughly. 

[Purge the Daemon]

Damn the mechanicus have some really messed up toys in their arsenal, i guess i need to read their books more thoroughly.

They are strong for sure but also costly the one that has a belicosa pattern volcano cannon (warlord main weapon) is just shy of a warhound. The other one which has a unique super glaive weapon costs halfway between a reaver and warhound.

[Memento Of Prospero]

Get a falchion with feedback pulse with Orth. If you go first it will never fire again. If you go second, he better kill it in one go.

[Lord Blackwood]

I second the use of the falchion with feedback pulse.

[Purge the Daemon]

I second the use of the falchion with feedback pulse.

It's actually not great vs the ordinatus as the -3 to d means a roll of 4 or less doesn't apply shock pulse on turn 1 and then you probably die and even turn 2 it's 3 or less does nothing. It's the only shock pulse unit that can have a chance as senators can't hurt pseudo armour 17 but it's still not pretty.

[Lord Blackwood]

Hm is this the sort of problem you could throw multiple knights at ?

[StaggerLee]

i honestly thought the weaker one wouldnt be that much of an issue :/ 

[ShadowCore67]

Bring Falchion and war machine detachment with two Cerberus heavy tank destroyers. Focus your falchion head on while the Cerberus' flank the sides. He can't kill them all and if the Falchion doesn't pen it turn 1 then you basically guaranteed a pen on it turn 2.

[Withershadow]

S9 melta into the backside should work.

[Purge the Daemon]

S9 melta into the backside should work.

Might be hard to reach the back the model is so huge it probably will always have one side touching a board edge.

 

It's also got armoured ceramite and the 6++ so melta maybe can do it but it's hard would need 5s to glance.

[TompiQ]

Caleb Decima's (and other Reductor Magi) Master of Destruction rule which provides the ap bonus can only be applied to Heavy or Ordnance weaponry. The Ordinatus weaponry is of the Primary class, so cannot be buffed. It doesn't help defeating the behemoth, but buffing it with Decima isn't legal.

[Caillum]

^ Good catch!