Reclusiarch Darius Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Bring your own Superheavy? It's a 700pt investment that can't score. Drop Pod lists or Outflanking also works. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4705974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Bring your own Superheavy? It's a 700pt investment that can't score. Drop Pod lists or Outflanking also works. drop pods can't get through a skitarii screen on turn one. You need a turn or two to get through. Other than the Falchion, a unit of 5 vanilla speeders with grav guns would help, possibly some cortus dreads with chain fists and grav palms. You can also ally some skitarii of your own (haywire shots) or solar auxilia with their haywire grenade launchers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4706259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_flesh_is_weak Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 3 leviathans in drop pods? Use phosphex to dispose of the bubble wrap and maybe some phosphex quad launchers if you want to be really sure, and then it's highly doubtful he we will be able to kill all 3 leviathans in one turn you can close and rip it apart in melee. take two more dread claws maybe with terminators that can come in next turn and then suddenly you have his saggitar dead or close to it in turn 2 and can mop up after. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4706455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 3 leviathans in drop pods? Use phosphex to dispose of the bubble wrap and maybe some phosphex quad launchers if you want to be really sure, and then it's highly doubtful he we will be able to kill all 3 leviathans in one turn you can close and rip it apart in melee. take two more dread claws maybe with terminators that can come in next turn and then suddenly you have his saggitar dead or close to it in turn 2 and can mop up after. 3 leviathans in pods is worth way more than the Ordinator at that point. They are too cost effective. The skitarii have short ranged haywire guns to deal with them also Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4706603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 3 leviathans in drop pods? Use phosphex to dispose of the bubble wrap and maybe some phosphex quad launchers if you want to be really sure, and then it's highly doubtful he we will be able to kill all 3 leviathans in one turn you can close and rip it apart in melee. take two more dread claws maybe with terminators that can come in next turn and then suddenly you have his saggitar dead or close to it in turn 2 and can mop up after. 3 leviathans in pods is worth way more than the Ordinator at that point. They are too cost effective. The skitarii have short ranged haywire guns to deal with them also I mean, Overkill is always a way of dealing with stuff and having 2 of those 3 Levis with Grav Flux Bombards to melt the bubblewrap and drills for S10 Armourbane whilst the third has drill and lance makes for a pretty big distraction carnifex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4706665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 3 leviathans in drop pods? Use phosphex to dispose of the bubble wrap and maybe some phosphex quad launchers if you want to be really sure, and then it's highly doubtful he we will be able to kill all 3 leviathans in one turn you can close and rip it apart in melee. take two more dread claws maybe with terminators that can come in next turn and then suddenly you have his saggitar dead or close to it in turn 2 and can mop up after. 3 leviathans in pods is worth way more than the Ordinator at that point. They are too cost effective. The skitarii have short ranged haywire guns to deal with them also I mean, Overkill is always a way of dealing with stuff and having 2 of those 3 Levis with Grav Flux Bombards to melt the bubblewrap and drills for S10 Armourbane whilst the third has drill and lance makes for a pretty big distraction carnifex. Problem is, it can drive away 12 inches and still fire, or flat out/thunderblitz so far away that the dreads will not catch it. super heavy mobility is a problem right now, only knights can catch them effectively. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4706685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 I mean, it really depends on how its deployed. With the Pods AND the dreads, you could probably pen it in and force it to thunderblitz instead of shooting its main gun. Its also a Looooooooong Model and moving 12" might not get it all that far away from the dreads in the grand scheme of things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4706693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_flesh_is_weak Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Was my thinking, use the pods to preven him from moving without thunderblitzing and then melt away the bubble wrap with phosphex and grav flux plus supporting fire from the rest of your army and then you should easily be able to surround it and kill it, then the dreadnoughts are free to attack any back line units. A glaive could be a good choice too with the 1+d3 haywire hits can be a reliable way to strip hull points, as well as melting a bunch of the bubble wrap. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4706756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 The Sicaran Venator only needs a penetrating hit. You don't even need to do any damage to force Snap Shots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4707216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 The Sicaran Venator only needs a penetrating hit. You don't even need to do any damage to force Snap Shots. At up to -3S T1 due to its Super Flare Shield, its Now S7 Shot isn't going to be able to pen its front Av14. S8 on T2 needs a 6 then afterwards its S9 for the rest of the game. So its going to at least get one shooting phase in which could be used to nuke said Venator or Cerberus and, if they roll a 6 and roll well, a Falchion off the table. Not a bad idea to have one, but its not the lynchpin to taking it down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4707218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Is its gun "ignore cover"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4707231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Is its gun "ignore cover"? Nope, but a 6 is still "No saves of any kind." So even in super cover, a single 6 and its vaped and you can't do anything about it. With 180" Range and a 10" Blast, its not really going to miss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4707239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Is its gun "ignore cover"? Nope, but a 6 is still "No saves of any kind." So even in super cover, a single 6 and its vaped and you can't do anything about it. With 180" Range and a 10" Blast, its not really going to miss. Well that's actually something, a squadron of something or other in a terror assault list stands a better chance than most for having that 5/6 chance for not dying for a turn or 2, terror squads have a go at thinning out the troop bubble, pick your flavour of vehicle death. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4707250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Just don't really bet on cover saves being able to help you all that much vs Mechanicum in general what with all the stuff they have to reduce it. In general, usually expect all your cover saves vs Mechanicum to be at -1 for the most part, -2 to -3 if its Thallax doing the shooting thanks to Djinn-Sight stacking with other buffs like Cyber-Occulari; thats most likely whats going to be shooting anything in hard cover instead of the single shot D weapon risking it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4707256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Load up a stormlord with 10 heavy culverin and many chainfist terminators and a mos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/332724-how-to-defeat-a-sagittardecima-combo/page/2/#findComment-4710966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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