MuGGzy Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 If I wanted to go back and refresh my memory on the entire story line related to "The Perpetuals", like John Gramaticus and Aul Persons, etc, What books contain their story lines, even as minor side notes. Also is there any fluff anywhere else that explains what/who they are. I did note in the latest Audio Drama that they were referring to "The Creature humanity reveres as The Emperor" which leads me to believe they have been around since before the Emperor started doing his thing and might actually know WHAT he is. Fluff, ideas, thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Truckin Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Off the top of my head: Know No Fear Legion Mark of Calth Unremembered Empire Would be interested to now if there are others as well. edit: also you are correct Johnny Grammar met the emperor during his rise to power and Trooper Persons has been around since Roman times as far as he let's us know (or as I've read). In Legion Abnett writes a lot about the origin of the Emperor in relation to the cabal - as explained by John Grammaticus. I also highly recommend this audio drama. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Desultor Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 There are a few references on WH40K Lexicanum for both John Grammaticus and Perpetuals in general, that list some sources as well as other people. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Angel Exterminatus has the smallest of mentions of mr old person in some trench warfare when Kroeger is tripping balls Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Grammaticus is a POV character in Vulkan Lives. It feeds directly to his role in Unremembered Empire, both of which have lots of information on Perpetuals. Unremembered Empire actually has two, the other being Damon Prytanis, another agent for the cabal and friend of Grammaticus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 In perpetual when Ollanius Pius and his merry band of travelers are stuck on some human colony circa M23 at the end of the "technology wars" (the closing stages of the war against the men of iron). Ollanius describes himself as being somewhere around 45000 years old. On a side note Ollanius describes the war against the men of iron as "the good old days" when war was at a unimaginable scale that humans simply did not comprehend it. He then speaks of some of the weapons unleashed during that time. Of note, "Sunsnuffers", stations the size of Saturn's rings that could destroy stars and "Mechavores" mechanical creates that could eat sizeable chunks of planets and take chunks out of reality itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Oll Persson has been around since pre-1000BC He was one of the Argonauts who accompanied Jason in his quest for the Golden Fleece. IIRC...Heracles accompanied Jason as well. That would mean Oll was around before the Trojan War. I'd pay money to read Abnett's interpretation of the Golden Fleece myth, with tie-ins to 40K Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmablasts Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Betrayer features Prytanis (and hints about the creation of perpetuals. Vengeful Spirit proves perpetuals don't have to have Y chromosomes... And there's another Perpetual in Vulkan Lives and Deathfire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 There are 2 types of perpetual if I remember right natural and created. Natural include ol,the woman in vengeful spirit and thrawn Created include john grammaticus,the Emperor and the blessed lady Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Who is the blessed lady (Arthurian perchance) ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Cyrene, Argel Tal's pet human. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Yeah her I couldnt remember her name Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 When does she become a Perp ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 When does she become a Perp ? Betrayer when John comes to nab her its quite interesting, as it implies that warp nonsense has the ability to create perpetuals as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4713956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 She must have somehow fancied a warp god. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4714091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 She must have somehow fancied a warp god. Erebus did that part for her. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4714121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 If I recall she was Argel Tal's waifu (in a platonic way). Erebus traded some poor astropath soul for her, or something to that effect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4714142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
choppyred Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 She must have somehow fancied a warp god. Slaanesh perchance? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4715071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Erebus expended the Astropaths in finding her soul. It's an associate of John's who finds her. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4715845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 You also havee the perpetual female who Horus "killed" at Molech, but comes back again in another story where she hunts a cult, with Severians help after they kidnapped her daughter "Mistress Ghost Snake" although she went by the name of Alivia I think Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4716029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 IIRC.... Oll, Damon Prytanis, and Alivia [?] are natural Perpetuals Grammaticus, Cyrene, and Vulkan are "engineered" so to speak The Emp is a question mark as of MoM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333033-the-perpetuals/#findComment-4718498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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