Confused Word Bearer Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 I'm curious about this, and I really want to know: How important was Cawl during the Heresy? He had to have been pretty high up to be contacted by Guilliman to work on a secret project for over 10,000 years, and well, he is more than 10,000 years old. So it's made me curious to know just how high up he was. Edit: Apologies if this thread has already been made. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Considering he is a 40k fabrication that I haven't heard of in the current novel series (mind you, I am getting old), I would venture to say none until they retcon him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4714155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 He'll be retconned in I bet. Maybe once they cover the Mars book. Or maybe he'll just be a footnote, a little tid bit of info on the beginnings of his 10k year quest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4714225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 In the meantime, here is my theory. He began as a wee little servitor who accidentally got a hardware upgrade he wasnt meant to get, developing near ogryn level cognitive skills. Being that this happened in Ultramar in the aftermath of the Betrayal at Calth, the Guilliman administration was desperate for a morale booster. But not of Ny kind no, not a stoic Space Marine, nor a brave auxiliary and neither a brave accountant who righted the wrongs of the enemy in the books. It was but a servitor who dutifully kept on trudging amidst the debris that caught the eye of the administration. And in an instant he became emblematic, know as..... The Little Roboute That Could. Lavished upon with more and more upgrades at the expense of hard working citizens of the 500 worlds, he became Cawl. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4714895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 He was Arkhan Land. His next job in 40k is to then they had the plans upside down, and here's how it should be made.... Giving a bonus to raiders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4715645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 He was Arkhan Land. His next job in 40k is to then they had the plans upside down, and here's how it should be made.... Giving a bonus to raiders. That is the worst idea ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4715801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 He was Arkhan Land. His next job in 40k is to then they had the plans upside down, and here's how it should be made.... Giving a bonus to raiders.That is the worst idea ever.Ever? Can you qualify that? I've heard of plenty of bad ideas. Why is mine the worst? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4715827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I wouldn't say it's the worst idea...but they are very different characters. And I'm not a fan of further reducing the cast of people doing things in the universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4716073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Maybe I got a bit hyperbolic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4716107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Worst idea is too much but it would be a shame for this significant 40k character not to have an interesting background in his own right. Land is already one of the only interesting Mechanicum characters, it'd be better to add to their ranks and have Cawl stand on his own many many feet as a developed personality rather than try and borrow some of Land's shine. And like IronDrake says, it avoids making the universe seem small. Thinking of Star Wars here, where for a long time anything of significance was down to the activities of a handful of Skywalkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4716248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ikka Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I don't know, I would prefer having Cawl be a minor character in 30k- make him the student/assistant of a major Mechanicum magos. The master magos winds up dying but paves the way for Cawl. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4716400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I wouldn't say it's the worst idea...but they are very different characters. And I'm not a fan of further reducing the cast of people doing things in the universe. That's GW's MO, though, right? Especially if McNeill is writing. You'd think the IW were made up of 6 guys for the last 10k years. Land, already an expert in fusing man and machine and extending life, is tasked by Guilliman to cure him if something happens to him. Land, who loves his ego being stroked, agrees, who could refuse a personal request from a primarch? Guilliman is poisoned, and beyond conventional healing, even for the mechanicus. Land focuses only on this, neglecting his own augmentation preference for discrete bionics etc, taking crude ones so he can labour longer on Guillimans healing suit, Land gradually changes, becomes more machine, losing his humanity, becoming the thing he detested in order to try and gave the primarch. Over time, his original personality is subsumed by the machine, as his quest drives him mad. He purges his old personality to devote nor processing power to find a cure. Land dies, and is reborn as Cawl. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4716655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I can see him being Kane's adjunct or something similar having access the the top levels but not one of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4716987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I agree with Ikka Perhaps Cawl could be like Bjorn or Khayon...a talented up-and-comer during the Heresy who established himself as a major player afterward Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333043-cawl-during-the-heresy/#findComment-4717453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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