Tank Army

[Minigiant]

Hello everyone

 

I have been on the fence of getting into Horus Heresy for a while, and I think I finally found what will make me do it and stick to it.

 

I want to do an all tank army, and want plenty of Lords of War

 

Now I know there are two things that work

 

1) There is a way that makes Predators Troop choices and Sicarian as a HQ

2) There is one formation that makes Lords of War more available and a 'leviathan' one as a Warlord

 

Can these two be combined?

 

I was hoping for 2/3 LoW then lots of tanks

[Rangaman]

Simply put, no you cannot do both. The "Armoured Breakthrough" Rite of War requires you to use the standard "Crusade Force" Organisational chart which allows ONE Lord of War. The Leviathans of War Organisational chart is an optional build that cannot be used with Rites of War (page 10 of the AoDAL redbook).

Typically, a game of 30k will be 2.5-3k in size (atleast in my local gaming community). This will be enough points for any Superheavy tank alongside the Armoured Breakthrough list. I run a heavily mechanized Armoured Spearhead list, which includes a Falchion Superheavy Destroyer and another 8 tanks plus my HQ and two Veteran squads. You can definitely fit in a lot more Predators in if you go for the Armoured Breakthrough RoW, but you are going to be stuck with only one LoW. Also worth mentioning is the optional organisational charts are either narrative or by opponents permission, so you might not be able to just roll up to a tournament with only three Superheavies and expect to play. Also, friendly games may not be that fun using the Leviathan build unless you organize that with your opponent in advance (I don't think people would take kindly to facing off against 30+ Hullpoints with a all-comers style list)

Make a list up and post it in the Armylist subforum!

[ROBOcaster]

Simply put no, you cannot use alternate FOC and a ROW, its written under the Master of the Legion rule.

[ROBOcaster]

However if you really want to play tanks I would recommend looking into Solar Auxilia, they can take Dracosans as Dedicated transports, can take Leman Russ as both Fast and heavy support options and if you run a Onslaught FOC which you can since you cant use ROW you're not losing out on anything and can then take two LOW.

[RandomMarine]

Couldn't you use the warmachine detachment to get multiple super heavys into the normal aid chart

[Rangaman]

Couldn't you use the warmachine detachment to get multiple super heavys into the normal aid chart

Yes and no, theoretically you could use the Warmachine Detachment, but at 3k you are still limited to a 750point LoW slot. Cerberus and Typhon are the cheapest and still cost just under 400points without any upgrades so there isn't any way to squeeze two in.

[Minigiant]

This is all a real shame to hear I have to say. Really wanted more than one LoW

[SkimaskMohawk]

Play Ordo Reductor, take the Matrix, run 2 Ordinatus and 4 HS slots worth of tanks

[CaptainKael]

Honestly Minigiant, expecting to run 2-3 LOW in most games is not viewed favorably in 30K. Especially in a PUG environment or where you do not give your opponent a fair heads up. In fact, the red books promote the Age of Darkness Crusade FoC as the standard for normal play (see pages 9-10 of the Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List, especially the section "(Optional) Battles in the Age of Darkness Alternative Force Organization Charts").

Spamming multiple LOWs is one reason that my buddies and I abandoned 40K for 30K. It was something we saw all of the time from the more competitively minded 40K players. In our FLGS, you would have a hard time finding a regular 30k opponent. If your meta is different and they are cool with it, then all power to you. But it is something I would check before purchasing models.

 

Now, I sometimes play the Dark Angel Ironwing ROW (a tank and dreadnought heavy army) with a Legion Glaive at 2.5-3K. Even with just 1 LOW, my opponents can sometimes really struggle to take out that many HP in a game. Every bolter and most anti-infantry weapons are already a waste of points against the regular tanks. Throwing in extra LOWs with their lack of shaken/stunned/weapon destroyed/immobilized results would only complicate matters.

[Minigiant]

Play Ordo Reductor, take the Matrix, run 2 Ordinatus and 4 HS slots worth of tanks

Thats a good idea, I like it

[Minigiant]

Play Ordo Reductor, take the Matrix, run 2 Ordinatus and 4 HS slots worth of tanks

 

Sorry but struggling a bithere, what book(s) would I find this all in

[Rangaman]

The Mechanicum Redbook, problem there is the two LoW slots...do they each have a max of 25% or a combined value of 25%

[noigrim]

Well you can take one legion for the three LoW and another one as allies with the small tanks

[ROBOcaster]

The Mechanicum Redbook, problem there is the two LoW slots...do they each have a max of 25% or a combined value of 25%

"...may not take up more than 25%* of the army's total points cost for each Lord of War choice." So each can be 25% of your army.