Kelborn Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Hey there, I'm currently reading Imperium Secundus by Dan and I have to admit that this is the first one from him, which caught me in a while. Though I've heard all kind of opinions about the story arc in general and certain books, I wanted to ask which novels are part of the IS arc. As far as I'm remembering: Unremembered Empire - what a surprise Pharos Angels of Caliban Anything I might have missed? I'm intending to get all of them to call (at least) one complete story arc my own. ^^ Thanks in advance! cheers, Kelborn *edit* some mistakes were corrected Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Hey there, I'm currently reading Imperius Secundus by Dan and I have to admit that this is the first one from him, which caught me in a while. Though I've heard all kind of opinions about the story arc in general and certain books, I wanted to ask which novels are part of the IS arc. As far as I'm remembering: Imperius Secundus - what a surprise Pharos Angels of Caliban Anything I might have missed? I'm intending to get all of them to call (at least) one complete story arc my own. ^^ Thanks in advance! cheers, Kelborn 'Imperium (not Imperius) Secundus' and the book was called 'Unremembered Empire' by Dan Abnett (which is horrible trying to create a bad Shakesperean play with addition of comics stuff) which has started it all, but in general the real beginning for it was Bowden 'Betrayer' and after Nuceria time. Also there is a short story called 'Stratagem' - that's goes right before the 'UE'. Then goes 'Deathfire' - first part of the book directly covers aftermath of 'UE' and goes from it (being a horribly structured plagiat novel which stole several key scenes from the movies of 'Odyssey', 'Avatar' and 'Mission Impossible') Only then goes 'Pharos' which followed by part of the 'Angels of Caliban' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4718680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Clearest timeline is Tymell's found here the Imperius Secundus is the third list from the bottom. Only read Unremembered Empire once but it was Boxing Day 2013 or 2014 and I read it in one go, a very rare occurrence for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4718688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 *sees Heris posting, anticipating a reading order & negative feedback* *reads his post* Dude, you've become predictable. :P Sorry for my mistake. Unremembered Empire is called Imperius Secundus in its German version. hm...do I have to read Deathfire in order to continue with Pharos? And if Betrayer is linked with it, how about Know no fear? @R_F_D: Thank you for the link! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4718691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 *sees Heris posting, anticipating a reading order & negative feedback* *reads his post* Dude, you've become predictable. Sorry for my mistake. Unremembered Empire is called Imperius Secundus in its German version. hm...do I have to read Deathfire in order to continue with Pharos? And if Betrayer is linked with it, how about Know no fear? @R_F_D: Thank you for the link! 1) Telling the truth doesn't mean what you suggested. If the novels are crap - why praise them? 2) German version - right, forget about that. 3) In general yes - if you want to know the fate of 2 characters from UE. But I will never suggest that crap of novel to anyone to read. 4) Betrayer covers the war after the Calth (Calth time - IS did not existed yet) - while Roboute already planned the strike and began covering resources for UE in Betrayer. 5) R_F_D - thanks for the link. I quite forgot about splendid Haley story The Laurel of Defiance which covers the beginning of Corvo crusade. (He is also a secondary character in Pharos) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4718705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 1) never mind. I just knew that you'd comment on them. That was no criticism. :) 2) me too 3) ah well, for just 2 chars it doesn't seem worth it 4) then I'll put Betrayer as well on my list Thanks. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4718712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 · Hidden by Brother Tyler, April 28, 2017 - off topic, no value Hidden by Brother Tyler, April 28, 2017 - off topic, no value 1) never mind. I just knew that you'd comment on them. That was no criticism. 2) me too 3) ah well, for just 2 chars it doesn't seem worth it 4) then I'll put Betrayer as well on my list Thanks. I'm almost waiting for Dark Chaplain to appear and advertise you how 'awesome, splendid and godlike' Deathfire is. And you MUST read it because of that. And Kyme is the best author in the world and the sky is green... Something like that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4718731
R_F_D Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 · Hidden by Brother Tyler, April 28, 2017 - off topic, no value Hidden by Brother Tyler, April 28, 2017 - off topic, no value The above could be an attempt at sarcasm however it does come across as somewhat mean-spirited. We all have opinions, even if we disagree with opinions, we don't take the piss out of those opinions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4718820
HeritorA Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 · Hidden by Brother Tyler, April 28, 2017 - off topic, no value Hidden by Brother Tyler, April 28, 2017 - off topic, no value The above could be an attempt at sarcasm however it does come across as somewhat mean-spirited. We all have opinions, even if we disagree with opinions, we don't take the piss out of those opinions. Totally agree - it was a blank sarcasm, no pun intended Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4718923
LaurieJGoulding Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Don't forget 'The Heart of the Pharos', which comes before 'Pharos' and sets up 'Angels of Caliban' too... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4719066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Laurie, is Heart of Pharos coming to print soon? Only read good things about it but audio's aren't my cup of tea. Also, I'd be interested to know more about the conversion process from audio to prose if you're happy to post about it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4719178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Don't forget 'The Heart of the Pharos', which comes before 'Pharos' and sets up 'Angels of Caliban' too... Hey Laurie: Are you able to wink-wink, poke-poke, nudge-nudge us at all about... (For those who have not read any of the Imperium Secundus arc): ...what the heck and where the heck the entire BA Legion is doing/during the events of Pharos through Angels of Caliban? We see Sanguinius and Azkaellon for a few moments in those books and the Herald of Sanguinius short, as well as a few <cough> chump <cough> Sanguinary Guard getting blown to bits by Curze. Otherwise.....some 50,000+ (at least) Blood Angels are conspicuously absent and completely unmentioned at all. If not, no worries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4719262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 The IXth legion may have spent those two books fastening nipples to their breastplates, and so were indisposed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4719302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 The IXth legion may have spent those two books fastening nipples to their breastplates, and so were indisposed Well, it would make sense where all the nipple armor came from, but all the <cough> chumps! <cough> Sanguinary Guard were blown up by a single piece of C4 ala Curze, so even that possibility is out the door. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4719329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 maybe they died so easily precisely because they hadn't gotten around to attaching the nipples. I think they have a function similar to Iron Halos. Can't remember where I read it, but it is most certainly canon.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4719415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted April 24, 2017 Author Share Posted April 24, 2017 Don't forget 'The Heart of the Pharos', which comes before 'Pharos' and sets up 'Angels of Caliban' too... Huh...you really got the chance to flesh out the entire origin of the Scythes, aye? :D May I ask, did you choose them by yourselves or was it more like: we need someone to write about the Scythes and their origin. Laurie, how 'bout you? Maybe I'll sit down and read the entirety of the Scythes. Is there an omnibus planned as well? I believe there was something, a couple of months ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4719447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Laurie, is Heart of Pharos coming to print soon? Only read good things about it but audio's aren't my cup of tea. Also, I'd be interested to know more about the conversion process from audio to prose if you're happy to post about it? It should definitely reach a numbered HH anthology at some point ("everything, in every format, eventually") but I have no idea how long that will take. I would say, the story aside, that BL's audio dramas are reaching an amazing level of atmosphere and sound design - I felt humbled and extremely lucky to have some excellent actors cast in 'The Heart of the Pharos', and the music is fantastic too. (Also, 'Scythes of the Emperor: Daedalus' has a soundtrack by Adam Harvey, he of 'Ultramarines' and 'The Lord Inquisitor' fame - I experienced total fangasm when I heard it for the first time!) I very much intend to talk more about the process, since it is still very much part of my day job as well as writing for BL. I'll post about it on here, if people would be interested. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4719933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Huh...you really got the chance to flesh out the entire origin of the Scythes, aye? May I ask, did you choose them by yourselves or was it more like: we need someone to write about the Scythes and their origin. Laurie, how 'bout you? Maybe I'll sit down and read the entirety of the Scythes. Is there an omnibus planned as well? I believe there was something, a couple of months ago. Not the entire origin. That won't be revealed until the very end... There is an omnibus planned for worldwide release in August: https://www.amazon.com/Scythes-Emperor-Space-Marine-Battles/dp/1784965634 It's not EVERY story, but it's all of the currently available ones that link directly to the novel 'Slaughter at Giant's Coffin'. I hope you enjoy! I was actually planning a Scythes of the Emperor novel back in 2012, and then ADB mentioned Sotha in 'Prince of Crows'. When Dan was planning 'The Unremembered Empire' he asked me for more info on Mount Pharos and any characters from the early years of the Chapter that he could reference. Richard Williams and I had discussed the name of Ancient Oberdeii as the first Chapter Master, and so it all just fell into place. I was lucky enough to be able to guide the HH guys around my Chapter's home world, and it added masses of backstory to what I was planning. Result! It works both ways. I took some great cues from the Heresy, like Oberdeii inheriting the iron skull mask of Barabas Dantioch when he is appointed as Warden of the Pharos by Roboute Guilliman. And Mansirius Thorcyra is the last ever Warden, and he's wearing it on the front cover of the omnibus. Interesting fact (depending on your point of view): Tebecai was named from a suggestion by m'colleague Graeme Lyon. I couldn't think of a placeholder name, so he said "Just put TBC for now!" It's like when Graham named Forrix - in the pitch for the novel he was just "Warsmith XXXX". True story. Ask him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4719937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Laurie, is Heart of Pharos coming to print soon? Only read good things about it but audio's aren't my cup of tea. Also, I'd be interested to know more about the conversion process from audio to prose if you're happy to post about it? It should definitely reach a numbered HH anthology at some point ("everything, in every format, eventually") but I have no idea how long that will take. I would say, the story aside, that BL's audio dramas are reaching an amazing level of atmosphere and sound design - I felt humbled and extremely lucky to have some excellent actors cast in 'The Heart of the Pharos', and the music is fantastic too. (Also, 'Scythes of the Emperor: Daedalus' has a soundtrack by Adam Harvey, he of 'Ultramarines' and 'The Lord Inquisitor' fame - I experienced total fangasm when I heard it for the first time!) I very much intend to talk more about the process, since it is still very much part of my day job as well as writing for BL. I'll post about it on here, if people would be interested. Cheers Laurie, I'm definitely interesting hearing more about it. Should have phrased my point better, wasn't questioning the quality of BL audios, it's more I can't find time to listen to them. Looking forward to reading Heart at some point! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4720020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 *sees Heris posting, anticipating a reading order & negative feedback* *reads his post* Dude, you've become predictable. Sorry for my mistake. Unremembered Empire is called Imperius Secundus in its German version. hm...do I have to read Deathfire in order to continue with Pharos? And if Betrayer is linked with it, how about Know no fear? @R_F_D: Thank you for the link! 1) Telling the truth doesn't mean what you suggested. If the novels are crap - why praise them? I think the continual negativity is what is wearing on people here. I personally don't understand why you'd spend so much time.... and I mean a LOT of time on the Bolter and Chainsword with non-stop negative posting on books you call crap... and apparently keep reading. I don't care why you keep doing this, but I do know it's wearing on the forum. Last chance to keep this on topic and less about each other in this topic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4720403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I very much intend to talk more about the process, since it is still very much part of my day job as well as writing for BL. I'll post about it on here, if people would be interested. very interested! i've really enjoyed gav thorpe's blogs about audio dramas Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4720410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantras Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I think the continual negativity is what is wearing on people here. I personally don't understand why you'd spend so much time.... and I mean a LOT of time on the Bolter and Chainsword with non-stop negative posting on books you call crap... and apparently keep reading. I don't care why you keep doing this, but I do know it's wearing on the forum. Last chance to keep this on topic and less about each other in this topic. I've lost track of the number of times I have logged on and seen every post in this sub have the last post from this person, on one hand it seems excessive but then I think its great to have an active poster? In any case - on Imperium Secundus its also worth noting that Fear to Tread also sort of preludes into UE and I believe an upcoming book Ruinstorm will finish the IS arc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4720454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 'Know No Fear', 'Fear to Tread', 'Mark of Calth', 'Betrayer' and 'Vulkan Lives' are all prelude to the Imperium Secundus arc a-proper, also several audio dramas and short stories. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4720550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Don't forget 'The Heart of the Pharos', which comes before 'Pharos' and sets up 'Angels of Caliban' too... Hmmmmm... surly you mean The Dark Between The Stars I count myself lucky having that little doosie in my itunes before it got pulled and amended! That audio was such a nice surprise though, best moment for me... "range to target 999999999999999..." holy *cuss* that gave me the willies! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4721401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Don't forget 'The Heart of the Pharos', which comes before 'Pharos' and sets up 'Angels of Caliban' too... Laurie - without any pun intended - you are right 'The Heart of the Pharos' should be before Angels of Caliban. But... except for the last 5 minutes it has absolutely nothing important or IS related. Okay we have Pharos and a scout and.... 'Know No Fear', 'Fear to Tread', 'Mark of Calth', 'Betrayer' and 'Vulkan Lives' are all prelude to the Imperium Secundus arc a-proper, also several audio dramas and short stories. Really? Well - in that case let's call Horus Heresy a prelude to W40K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333206-imperium-secundus-novels/#findComment-4721547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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