DogWelder Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 So I've been listening to the brand new audio dramas that have come out post-gathering storm and I have to say, I'm impressed. Guilliman is presented as his 30k self mostly: Frank and serious, but not overly lordly or arrogant and his voice actor portrays it well. Though he sounds a bit younger than I had imagined. Greyfax seems to revere him as a demigod but he treats her more like a confidant, not caring too much about the religious aspect. He doesn't seem to have the trappings of an Emperor. Ie: he doesn't sit on a giant throne and beckon his subjects to kneel at his feet. Rather its more like he's some kind of police commissioner, studying some papers at his desk while talking to his deputies. It seems they've elected to have him act more human than demigod in the end. Which is the approach I believe he should take. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Currently reading Unremembered Empire and your describtion just sounds like the image I get from him through this novel. I have to admit that the 30K RG seems to a character, which I'm liking. Haven't expected that as I was never interested in the Ultramarines since the Ventris novels. I'm curious to see what they will do with him. Besides some rumors about Marines 2.0, etc. I have no clue at all anymore. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/#findComment-4721257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 What's always fascinated me about Guilliman is that he is arguably the most pedestrian of all the Primarchs. I don't say that as an insult, as I think it makes his character unique. I think Guilliman would always be happiest behind a desk or at a strategy meeting or dealing with some bureaucracy than invading a planet. He clearly wanted that future for his sons, before the Heresy. The genius of making him the first Primarch to return is that he's probably the least likely to ignore the Imperiums administrative failings and most likely to question and change them. If, say, The Khan came back first, he would just care about taking the fight to the enemy. But Guilliman sees the enemy from without and within. I'm glad they're taking him in that direction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/#findComment-4721289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 What's always fascinated me about Guilliman is that he is arguably the most pedestrian of all the Primarchs. I don't say that as an insult, as I think it makes his character unique. I think Guilliman would always be happiest behind a desk or at a strategy meeting or dealing with some bureaucracy than invading a planet. He clearly wanted that future for his sons, before the Heresy. The genius of making him the first Primarch to return is that he's probably the least likely to ignore the Imperiums administrative failings and most likely to question and change them. If, say, The Khan came back first, he would just care about taking the fight to the enemy. But Guilliman sees the enemy from without and within. I'm glad they're taking him in that direction. “Some think he has no heart for war, that all he cares about are grand plans and stratagems. They’re wrong. He knows war as well as I do, he just wishes he didn’t.” -Horus Lupercal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/#findComment-4721298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Kelborn, don't bother reading Unremembered Empire - it's trash. Very inconsistent too. Know no Fear is the best of the stories featuring Guilliman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/#findComment-4721313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 Kelborn, don't bother reading Unremembered Empire - it's trash. Very inconsistent too. Know no Fear is the best of the stories featuring Guilliman. The Konrad Curze scenes are utter Night Lord fanservice tbh. Still found the parts concerning the perpetuals really interesting. Also, Guilliman's mother verbally destroying the first Chapter Master of the Ultramarines was hilarious. Also, Guilliman having a hangover is just precious lol. It's good to see even primarchs can sleep late. Makes Roboute VERY relatable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/#findComment-4721329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Hm...you're the second one saying that UE is trash, Ishagu. Though I'm not an expert about UM literature, I'm enjoying it for now. (currently at the scene including Auguston & Dantioch discussing Macragge's defenses). Funnily enough: I was told that Know No Fear was even worse than UE. Think that I'll just read them and make my own conclusion. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/#findComment-4721345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 It's just really dumb and inconsistent :-P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/#findComment-4721356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Know No Fear is possibly the best Ultramarines novel going. Betrayer isn't Ultramarines per se but you really get a feel for their quality and heroism in it. You end up respecting the Ultramarines in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/#findComment-4721447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Betrayer is great, yes. Unremembered Empire really is a dog turd imo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/#findComment-4721591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Hm...you're the second one saying that UE is trash, Ishagu. Though I'm not an expert about UM literature, I'm enjoying it for now. (currently at the scene including Auguston & Dantioch discussing Macragge's defenses). Funnily enough: I was told that Know No Fear was even worse than UE. Think that I'll just read them and make my own conclusion. ^^ I wish people wouldn't call a novel 'trash', but this is Ishagu... always shooting from the hip. Literary experiences are pretty personal and while I'm sure my wife would think ALL of the novels I read are trash, they give me a break from the every day. I really liked Abnett's treatment. What I liked about Unremembered Empire is we see a Roboute that is a contrast to what most of us, and perhaps some of the Primarchs thought of him. He is not arrogant, and he does not want to build his 'own empire'... not at all. I talked to David Annandale personally about this. We discussed this aspect of his personality (he wrote the Guilliman Primarch novel and he lives in my city.) We spoke of him in that time frame and he dislikes the dogmatic mantra he's been painted with, and in that era we see he's not dogmatic, and he's not arrogant, or trying to create his own universe. In fact we actually see from EU he questions his own ability to be 'the Emperor' of Secundus. It's quite revealing about his personality. He truly relishes his brothers, he wants them to succeed, and he sees the Imperium Secundus as perhaps the only way to mitigate failure on Terra. We also see this very trust in his brothers (and their sons) is definitely a shortcoming of his. I enjoyed it. Glad you're liking it too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/#findComment-4721642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Indeed. To be honest, I always found RG and his marines as bland, boring, arrogant wiseacres. That changed when I read HH 5: Tempest. In all honesty, FW does a great job in making Legions interesting and doing them justice. With the recently return of RG, I thought: Well ok, it's kind of interesting what GW had done with him. Then I was in a local bookstore, looking for Tarkin as a reading matter for my Imperial Sons chapter but discovered a copy of UE and thought: huh...not quite what I was looking for but hey, my Sons are deriving from the UM. Maybe this will give me some usefull insights. Now I'm planing to read the majority of the Imperium Secundus arc (beginning with Betrayer up to Angels of Caliban). Imho I think that the entirety of the IS is a great addition to the HH setting. Let's see how I'll think about it after finishing it. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333247-guilliman-in-eye-of-night/#findComment-4722143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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