Hellrender Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Even though i have been trying to decide on a legion for a while, this year i promised myself to get the project started in such a way that switching to a different legion would be to costly. Basicly forcing myself to stick to a legion. Mid-way june i will be getting a lot more time than i have currently, so that is the deadline for my choice. But this thread is not about that choice.. sort of. I realised actually don't know a lot about Space Wolves in 30k. So to help me make an informed decision, i'm seeking answers :) 1) How do you pronounce Vlka Fenryka? 2) What type of terminator armour is worn by the Varagyr? 3) Can Hvarl Redblade give scout (and thus outflank) to a leviathan? 4) The Deathsworn, how do they look like? What i read is that they are the predecessors to the Wulfen. Does this mean that they changed their attire, for example with wolf skull helmets, or did they actually mutate? Or was it just longer hair/fangs, etc? 5) How do frost blades/axes/claws work? How do they look like? I always imagined that they just call them frost weapons, because of the effects of the energy field that surrounds it.. (or whatever), but not that they are actual frost weapons... 6) What colour eye-lenses do you think work well for the marines with helms? 7) How do fenrisian wolves work? I understand they are equipment for characters, but can they embark on transports for example? 8) How do you guys solve the close combat arms for mark III armour? Thanks for reading Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrolf the Cunning Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Hey mate, 1) I think its pronounced "Volka Fenrika" but happy to be corrected 2) Cataphractii 3) unsure about this 4) We have fairly limited description but Wolf helms and dark armour is about it, I think similar to 40k Ulrik in someway, I think it is viable to take a fair bit of latitude with that though. 5) Earlier descriptions of frost weapons suggested that they were mostly chain weapons however I think it is fine to use regular bladed variants as well 6) I think this probably best depends on what shade of grey you use but I would aim for red or yellow, 7) I believe they are treated as a regular model for the purposes of occupying transports, but others who play more can probably answer this with more certainty 8) I honestly think that it is worthwhile to purchase a set of the Mk III close combat stuff from FW. If you feel confident with converting stuff you can do chop and repose jobs on the plastic Mk III arms but you will need weapon hands, which can probably be sourced from other plastic kits or the FW resin if you go that way. Hope this helps a bit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4735458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 On topic of how to pronounce Vlka Fenryka, I've always pronounced it as written (Pretty much the modus operandi in all of the yugoslavian languages), so I don't add any vocals into Vlka (Thus not turning it into Volka/Vilka/Velka), when I pronounce it, it's like taking the Vl- from Vladimir and adding the Ka- from Karenjina. Fenryka I tend to pronounce as Fenrijka, so Fenr- as in Fenrir, y- as in Ygdrassil and ka- as Karenjina again. Don't know how accurate that is, but it's the most pleasing version out of all of them for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4735496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2. Cataphractii has been mentioned and shows up in the art. Apparently when FW gets around to the models they'll be running in suits of cataphractii, all pelts flying and such. 4. The wolf skull helms have been specifically mentioned and used really bloody well by modellers on these forums. They're pretty much really the only explicit hint to their appearance in the background so far, apart from a wolf skull icon on the pauldrons. You could increase this, perhaps, and add more wolf skulls or two-headed icons of Morkai on the shins, kneepads, breastplates, etc. You absolutely could take the 'proto-wulfen' approach with some slightly bestial faces (heads from the WHFB ungors could work) to represent the "predatory taint" of the wulfen but it seems to be as much of an internal thing as a physical mutation, so you're not pigeon-holed into that style. The Inferno background (reproduced to a degree here) focuses on the psychological and spiritual affect on the warriors, which is trickier to represent explicitly. You could give them black armour or sections of armour to literalise the 'Black Cull' title. Or give them extra nasty looking bits: spiky SoH armour has been used to good effect on this wonderful blog. You could use elements of the FW mkIV destroyer armour and ramp up the battle damage to show how they don't care for their own lives. Something like a runic Fenrisian equivalent of the typical legion destroyer icon is referred to in Inferno as "the horns of winter" (see here, middle row, second from the left). If you felt like being literal, give these guys actual horns on their helmets, stereotypical viking style. Normally I'm not crazy about this as it can look too chaotic but shorter more realistic horns - like the ones on the WHFB chaos warriors - could maybe work in moderation. Prospero Burns already had wolf priests wearing horned shamanistic headresses in ritual contexts, if not in battle, and they're basically the ministers of the Cult of Morkai. You could use distinctive facial tattoos; these are common for SW but what if you gave them a black metal corpse-paint style look? Pale skin, large black diamonds or streaks around/under the eyes. Back when you could give one member of a 40k grey hunters squad the mark of the wulfen, a lot of folks used facial tattoos to represent it. 5. For frost blades the term 'energised diamond' has been mentioned. You could go for some sort of weird alien super-ice or something using Fenrisian helfrost crystals from the newer 40k background. In older background though they were typically mastercrafted chainblades fashioned with Fenrisian kraken teeth/chitin and Inferno carries on with this trend, mentioning axes, double-edged chainswords, power claws, and broad-bladed spears. Spellcrow has some very frosty-looking examples but there was a thread on different modelling possibilities a while back. 6. I bit the bullet and bought these Kromlech CC arms. They're affordable and look fairly similar to mkIII armour around the elbowplate. Add bolt pistols and the plastic mkIII chainswords or some axes, and job's a good 'un. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4735679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 Thanks for the answers. Got a few more questions :) 1) Where do people get Wolf Skull helmets from? 2) What do you think about using chain axes as normal cc weapons? 3) Other then grey slayers, varagyr, deathsworn, tactical veterans, what are other units/Models that work nice with an outflanking space wolf force? Leviathans? Deredeo's? What from Fast attack? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4735900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liege Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Bergen, Norway? One of my favourite European cities! Glad to see you're thinking about joining the legion your ancestors would be proud of! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4736159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Thanks for the answers. Got a few more questions 1) Where do people get Wolf Skull helmets from? 2) What do you think about using chain axes as normal cc weapons? 3) Other then grey slayers, varagyr, deathsworn, tactical veterans, what are other units/Models that work nice with an outflanking space wolf force? Leviathans? Deredeo's? What from Fast attack? 1) KF studios on Facebook or Ebay. 2) Just remeber you won't be using any tac marines for the most part. Either SLayers or vets so keep that in mind. 3) Ive seen assault bikes and speeders used to pretty damn good use, maybe a lightning? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4736204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 Thanks! Will have a look at them. Seems they don't have the skull helmets on ebay atm, but the viking heads look nice. How do you guys represent the vexilla? Leviathan or Deredeo? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4737095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I've not yet made my truly 6th legion vexilla yet but I will be doing something more nordic in looks. On the dreads it's more a question of what you want them doing I've not seen a deredeo but my friends Levi is a thorns in my side every game it's played I almost want one of my own to counter him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4737505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 For the one pack I've assembled I use the back banner and have placed a brass etch Legion symbol in the centre, though I'm thinking handheld banners for further packs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4737520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted May 14, 2017 Author Share Posted May 14, 2017 So indecided to build an army of the 6th. And i am lookong for some more practical info. The space wolves transfer has a lot of legion icons for the right shoulder pad (due to the way the wolf faces). Is that a mistake from fw, or did the legions indeed allow for legion iconography on the right shoulder? Also, did the space wolves put markings on their armour to indicate which company they belonged to, and if so, what was the icon for the 4th great company? And are there any guidelines on what types of units have wat pack markings? Or was it purely up to the packleader? I know of the pic linked earlier.. But that seems to support the 2nd option, with packs just assuming pack markings that fit them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4739800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted May 16, 2017 Author Share Posted May 16, 2017 Ok, so i send a few questions to Forgeworld about the space wolves use of legion iconography, most notable where they put it, as the transfers dont have enough for the left shoulder. This is their reply: It doesn't really matter which the shoulder pads the icon was placed on as during the heresy only more experienced and better marines had the opportunity to adorn their armour with markings and icon, at this point the codex was not in place to 'specify a uniform legion look' the only real thing that fell in common was the legion colours such as the grey red and brassy metals. The icons and markings were placed wherever and when ever the marine had time to do it. To be as historically accurate as possible each model should be uniquely models with icons placed at random as this is what would have happened during the heresy era. Only once Guilliman established the Codex was a uniform regalia in place. What do you guys think of that? Would it look weird if i take that advice to heart, and have empty left shoulders here and there, when the marine in question puts it on his knee instead.. for example. It doesn't really matter which the shoulder pads the icon was placed on as during the heresy only more experienced and better marines had the opportunity to adorn their armour with markings and icon, at this point the codex was not in place to 'specify a uniform legion look' the only real thing that fell in common was the legion colours such as the grey red and brassy metals. The icons and markings were placed wherever and when ever the marine had time to do it. To be as historically accurate as possible each model should be uniquely models with icons placed at random as this is what would have happened during the heresy era. Only once Guilliman established the Codex was a uniform regalia in place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4743413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Ive been struggling with this. ALOT of the artwork has wolf symbol on both shoulder pads. What bothers me is that i don' think any of the breacher or morkai transfers can go on the right pad..... Why make fW pads for the left and majority of your decals for the left as well. Pisses me off honestly Yup just checked...everyone of the morkai and breacher symbols are for the left....... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4743424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 well its a good thing half my dudes have their pads on the wrong shoulder then Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4743565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 well its a good thing half my dudes have their pads on the wrong shoulder then Blessing in disguise my friend....Thats really bad planning by fw honestly....haha sorry don't mean to de rail the thread! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4743578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted May 16, 2017 Author Share Posted May 16, 2017 Nah.. I think they mean to say there is no wrong way. There is no structure. Just put them where you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4743585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betrayer41 Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Nah.. I think they mean to say there is no wrong way. There is no structure. Just put them where you want. If i hadn't already bout and glued 4748793939 FW shoulder pads it hink i would make it much less structured, very thematic for the wolves Here are some examples. Not a whole lot of structure and I think it looks great. Some have no markings some have opposite sides some have backwards. So whatever you want it'll be fluffy http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/wareagle411/FADDA73E-73B7-448B-8F06-459517E56847_zpsmsmgg1m7.jpg http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/wareagle411/A3FA5AD9-8253-4119-9BC8-A12B84931B12_zps4gyqkymo.jpg http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/wareagle411/0B14EE30-FC38-4778-A4F4-CB41B0A973DB_zpsciy9pd6c.jpg http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy123/wareagle411/6AFA6458-4583-4632-88F8-3F2A7AC7B67B_zpsg5bj4r41.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333539-questions-on-wolves-and-savages/#findComment-4743588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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