8th Edition and You(r DIY)...

[Commissar Molotov]

Surprised not to see a thread on this in the wake of the Gathering Storm, but we have a Primarch returned, a warp tear dividing the galaxy, and new Marines! 

 

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From a background point of view, some Chapters, especially those decimated in the events of the Gathering Storm, now have entire companies of these new warriors. Others have incorporated squads of Primaris Space Marines into existing Battle Companies. And perhaps most excitingly, Guilliman has founded some entirely new Chapers out of these new Space Marines.

 

 

 

Some, Guilliman has forged into new Space Marine Chapters, whole brotherhoods comprised only of these new warriors. Others he has offered to the existing Space Marine Chapters. Many Chapter Masters have welcomed their Primaris brethren into their ranks, accepting the new reinforcements gladly. Others, though, view these new creations with suspicion or outright hostility, claiming that the Emperor’s work should not have been meddled with.

 

Though they are a step removed from their brothers, the Primaris Space Marines still bear the gene-seed of their Primarchs, and some dissenting voices worry how this new type of warrior will react with the known genetic quirks and flaws of some of the more unusual Chapters…

 

 

 

 

 

Now it seems as though we have an interesting opportunity to continue along with a narrative. Have you given any thought as to how your Chapters will welcome (or not) these new warriors? How they feel about Guilliman's Indomitus Crusade?

 

Obviously we can't get in too deep until 8th Edition drops, but I'm curious as to how you're approaching all this news. Will your Chapter bend the knee to Guilliman, or declare him a usurper? Will they accept the Primaris Space Marines, or refuse?

 

Will you explore the creation of a new and untested brotherhood of warriors as they aspire to glory? 

 

[Olis]

Personally, I can see my Conflagrators instantly refusing any Primaris reinforcements and declaring Guilliman to be false. Where exactly that would lead, for better or worse, would be for us to see...

[VengefulJan]

Lore wise it wouldn't be much of a problem for me, I just don't know how I feel about there being true-scale marines on the tabletop when I already have a bunch of dudes. Even though they say that they don't invalidate my army, they feel like they do cause they are the scale a space marine is suppose to be.

[Olis]

Of course, on the other hand, the Inheritors and the Scarlet Sentinels would probably be happy to get some Primaris marines. Depends on their circumstances at the turn of the 42nd millennium.

[Lysimachus]

Presumably it will also depend which half of the Imperium our Chapters are based in, if you're in the southern half with Terra, Mars and Ultramar (and Guilliman and Cawl), then Primaris Marines are probably more readily available? If you're based on the northern side of the warp rip, these reinforcements are likely going to be harder to come by? Not impossible, of course, but still...

 

That's true for my Chapters, Stormbringers and Marines Adamant in the far north (MA would be particularly suspicious of the NuMarines, as they are with everyone...).

 

But the Emperor's Blade would welcome anything Guilliman gave them, although the Primarch might not approve of their view of the Emperor as a God - or of their view of him by extension as a Saint/Demi-God?

[Kelborn]

Think that the more indipendent and not codex aligned chapters will have some issues with the Primaris Marines. Others, (most likely the fierce followers of the codex) will gladly take their help.

 

I can only speak for my chapters.

 

Storm Riders (White Scars successor): Would reject their help as it is not upon RG and his minions to recreate the work of the Emperor.

 

Phantom Blades (Blackshield origin): At first, they woul wait until the Primaris have proven themselves. If so, they would take some.

 

Imperial Sons (Ultramarines successor): As they are one of few chapter, who are not satisfied with the Imperium's current state of corruption and worshipping, they would not only rejoice RGs return. They would thrive in his wake, gladly accepting his newest breed of sons in order to bolster their own ranks. Wouldn't surprise me if the Sons would be one of those chapters, who will be made of Primaris very soon.

 

But I'm curious. Would RG leave the Deathwatch out of this new generation of Astartes? Would he focus on the "normal" chapters? Or would he (because of their crucial importance to the Imperium's defenses) assigned entire forces to the cause of the Deathwatch?

 

And what will be the first thing, he will try to deal with his Primaris? Confronting Chaos? Saving his backdoor by anihilating the Tau? Create a rapid task force for any menace out there?

 

These are interesting times, my brothers. For now, it seems that GW is doing well. Let us see of what they will make of the fluff and of what they will give us DIY community.

 

*edit*

Wicked assumption!

Would he make use of the Lost Legion geneseed? Lost Legion successors 2.0 incoming! :P

[Commissar Molotov]

Reading some of the vehement reactions in the 8th Edition threads up the top of the board, I wonder if there's a place for Marines who feel less 'special', who start to question their role in the order of things. The sting of pride is the perfect weakness for Slaanesh to exploit... 

[Dosjetka]

I don't think "following" the Codex Astartes means automatic acceptance of these Primaris Astartes. By creating these newcomers, Guilliman has potentially invalidated part of the Codex and so Chapters who have been following its tenets to the letter may not be all that happy to see a Primarch return and start changing things which, in their view, has been sacred doctrine and has worked for the past ten thousand years and/or since the foundation of their Chapter.

[Wargamer]

Well let's see... the exact timeline of my Chapter is a bit up in the air, but from their perspective here's how the last few years have gone down:

First off, they're right on the bleeding edge of Imperial Space. Due to a Warp Storm known as the "Daemon Eye" between them and Terra, they periodically lose all contact whenever the DE waxes. Given the galaxy-wide embuggerance taking place, it's fair to say they don't have easy access to Terra right now.

Next, they've not long ago been involved in a small civil war with the Ordo Hereticus over their involvement in a campaign that went about as badly as any Imperial campaign could ever possibly go. While not excommunicated or anything like that, it has not made them many friends.

Finally, their homeworld got invaded by Tyranids and, depending how long after that 8th Edition is officially kicking off in my Chapter's personal timeline, they could have as little as 40-50% fighting strength remaining, which would mean they need some reinforcement, but would also mean they likely didn't do a lot to help Robust Girlyman reach Terra.

Lastly, the majority of the Chapter would likely refuse to believe Girlyman is alive, and would probably not be inclined to listen to him if he was. The Chapter at best considers the Codex to be an opinion on how Astartes should be organised, and when a Chapter Master who wanted them to adhere to it came along the result was a bloody big row and at least two Captains saying "we're going to ignore you and do our own thing until you stop acting like a prat".

So... yeah. This is going to be a bit of a mess for me and mine.

[Kelborn]

Yeah, but those could be rather convinced than let's say the Wolves or BT.

 

By the way, can they be corrupted by chaos as well?

Abd how do I have to see them?

Indipendent army with its own codex or a attachement to the normal Marines?

[Beta galactosidase]

Most chapters appear to just slot them in and treat them the same way as normal squads/companies. Supposing GW are using these to softly update the whole marine line to a bigger scale, organizationally they are interchangeable with regular marines. Maybe a few chapters will use them as special groups, but to little productive end.

 

This could be an opportunity for people to put some more humanity in their articles. Marines in squad Esther are trying their best but consistently outshown by squad Esau, a nuMarine squad - or consistently outperform them. Then you can say that there are feelings of individual brothers involved. it would be nice to see a little more of this added to the part of [homeworld is into goats so there is a goat theme].

[Olis]

By the way, can they be corrupted by chaos as well?

Abd how do I have to see them?

Indipendent army with its own codex or a attachement to the normal Marines?

 

1. Not sure. Lacking details atm, but the Frontline Gaming YT channel has alluded to Chaos getting their own beefy troops in the near future. Whatever that means, take that with a sodium supplement.

2. Not sure what this question means. 

3. Both, as far as I can tell. Again, take with salt.

[Kelborn]

2. Question was intended as part of the third question.

 

Huh...Something tells me that they're rather a separate codex instead of being part of a SM codex.

 

Regarding chaos getting big stuff as well: Lorgar returns with a new breed of Ghal Vorbak.

[Wargamer]

2. Question was intended as part of the third question.

 

Huh...Something tells me that they're rather a separate codex instead of being part of a SM codex.

 

Regarding chaos getting big stuff as well: Lorgar returns with a new breed of Ghal Vorbak.

Where did you get that idea?

 

The datasheet lists "Imperium", "Adeptus Astartes" and "<Chapter>" as their faction keywords, meaning they can be taken in either a specific Chapter list, a generic Space Marine list, or a generic Imperial list. They are not a stand-alone faction.

[Kelborn]

To be honest, I avoided reading through 30+ pages about the Primaris Marines and as I don't play the game, I skipped their datasheet as well.

Therefore, I did assume this. Thank you for clarifying. At least I know now what they are about.

So they wil be a elite troop choice or something similar?

Think that I read something about an entire army made of Primaris Marines. Or was that wish-thinking?

[VengefulJan]

 

So they wil be a elite troop choice or something similar?

 

Think that I read something about an entire army made of Primaris Marines. Or was that wish-thinking?

 

The squad that they provided, the Intercessor Squad, is a 5 man troop choice, so now space marines have a third type of line infantry they can use (not including Crusader Squads). Other types of squads do exist as these are not the only ones, as well as other units and vehicles as well.

 

I assume that the line about making an army out of them referred specifically having a full force on the table top completely composed of them rather than as a stand alone army with their own codex.

 

However, seeing as they will be getting additional units in other rolls of their type, plus the fluff knowledge that entire chapters have been founded recently of just Primaris Space Marines, I wouldn't put it past GW to make a separate codex just for these guys.

[Commissar Molotov]

Warhammer Community's latest post regarding the Cicatrix Maledictum and the Dark Imperium is interesting indeed. This has implications for any DIY Chapter in the galactic east, cut off from the light of the Astronomicon...

[Olis]

Warhammer Community's latest post regarding the Cicatrix Maledictum and the Dark Imperium is interesting indeed. This has implications for any DIY Chapter in the galactic east, cut off from the light of the Astronomicon...

 

I don't believe I have any DIYs out on the eastern fringe, yet, but maybe I can punt over one of my conceptual paper DIYs. The Grey Spectres or the Seventh Sons seem like they deserve a place to live... ^_^ 

[Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch]

I (and by that I mean the Dawn Blades) live in the Northeastern Fringe, but it's a crusade chapter so they don't really care about...oh wait. They're a crusade chapter. The Astronomican is on the other side of that rift. Craaaaap. I guess Guilliman better hurry up and get the Pharos mkII Built on Macragge, otherwise my guys are in trouble.

 

Or, y'know, not, because in the closing years of M41/start of M42 they [REDACTED] and the research the AdMech was doing on some recovered Necron stuff from the Tomb World Invasion may allow for short warp jumps. But other than that, I think they had better start hoping the nearest planet is up for some unexpected guests....Heh.

[Kelborn]

Warhammer Community's latest post regarding the Cicatrix Maledictum and the Dark Imperium is interesting indeed. This has implications for any DIY Chapter in the galactic east, cut off from the light of the Astronomicon...

 

All of my chapters are within the Dominion of Storms, which itself is on the Dark Imperium side.... I knew it was right to wait with writing 40K fluff. ^^

[VengefulJan]

In regards to Chapters located in the Dark Imperium, they did say that some specific routes are available, though sporadic or unreliable.

 

"Travel through the Cicatrix Maledictum is all but impossible, but sporadic contact has been made, through temporary warp-routes, to a few of the best-defended worlds on the other side..."

 

I know for my fluff, the War Angels chapter will be getting a few of these Primaris Marine reinforcment, but the number will be quite small, considering the situation.

[Wargamer]

I got the impression that the Dark Imperium idea is in some way a means to appease the old guard who dislike the new lore. Don't want your Chapter tainted by the Mary Sue Marines? Stick them in the Dark Imperium where Girlyman can't reach them!

[VengefulJan]

I mean, you can certainly play it that way if you like, but I assume that that line was specifically said to allow some lee-way to players to have their fluff be able to traverse to both sides. If anything, it becomes writing potential; it will be story in itself just to have you chapter/regiment/force/whatever cross the Maledictum.

[Thurservor]

This all new developments provide for a fertile ground for tons of homebrew fluff to be created and I have so many ideas that I dont even know where to begin with and with which army

But focusing on the question at hand, I some time ago decided to provide homebrew background for existing chapter that has suffered tremendous looses during Abyssal Crusade, that is specifically the Vorpal Swords. Since this devastating event as far as I remember leaves them with about 20-30% of fighting force somewhere in late M38, I decided that they returned to the Imperium space from crusade into the Eye and were granted a new homeworld in what now is a part of Dark Imperium.

Check for further reference: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/327654-ia-my-take-on-vorpal-swords-chapter/

Since Vorpal Swords are specialized in fighting Chaos, and are codex compliant, due to the level of threat that emerged from what is left of Cadia gate, I think what they would do is to literally pack all things on their massive chapter fleet and embark on a dangerous (borderline suicidal) attempt to breach the Maledictum and reach the main Imperium space to reinforce RG's efforts to drive Chaos back to where they belong. There is one thing that makes this actually reasonable to a degree. Since they have been thrown into a crusade into the Eye of Terror and they survived and lived to tell the tale, their Librarian department has to be in possession of some reliable (to at least minimal degree) way to attempt navigation in places where Astronomican is not present.

If ever they would emerge on the other side they could serve as spearheads of any fleets going one way or another and due to the fact that such duties would cost them dearly they would gladly accept any and all opportunities to boost their ranks with whatever RG has in his stockpile.