DogWelder Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) What would you say were some of the Horus Heresy Battle with the highest kill ratios in favor of one side. Please provide numbers if possible. Personally I would say: -The Battle of Sotha Ultramarines score at least a 20-1 kill ratio over the Night Lords. A 25,000 strong force of Night Lords attack Sotha, garrisoned by 1000 13th Legion marines (2500 arrive as reinforcement) plus a smattering of shattered Legion warriors, and is almost completely wiped out while the Ultramarines lose less than 1500 warriors of their own. -The Thramas Crusade Dark Angels kill 1/5th of the Night Lords Legion and destroy their accopanying Titans with minimal losses -Isstvan Massacre (Iron Hands vs. Emperor's Children segment) EC kill the entire 1st company of the Iron Hands, their Primarch and nearly wipe out the rest of the Legion with moderate losses to themselves. -Battle of Calth While this was a (phyrric) Ultramarine victory, the Word Bearers score an impressive 2.4-1 kill ratio against the Ultramarines as a 50,000 strong force of Word Bearers struck at the assembled might of 200,000 Ultramarines. The Ultramarines suffer 120,000 dead and the Word Bearers are completely wiped out. Edited May 20, 2017 by Caius Tadius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
E_50_Panzer Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Don't forget the amount of Titans, Army, and Navy lost at Calth... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4748437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mactire Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Signus Prime - once the BA's went all black rage they wiped out an entire horde of Chaos Deamons with what appears to be minimal losses. Also Dantiochs siege, he even managed to steal their ship after breaking an entire IW force, including Titans I think, on his upside down fortress. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4748585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Iron Cage? disease 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Dantioch held up an entire grand companies, with a handful of Space Marines and a accompanying garrison of Imperial Army, I believe they held out for something like 300+ days, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNoMore Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Iron Cage? Aye, this indeed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) Salamanders - any time I play a game with them I recreate the Dropsite Massacre. Edited May 21, 2017 by The God-Potato of Mankind foamy248, svane jotunsbane, Gorgoff and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 The Night Lords in Pharos were such an embarrassment, theyre pretty much just there to make the ultramarines look good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 The antagonist legion will always suffer more casualties than the protagonist legion in a novelization. The FW books will be more accurate assessments of casualty figures. depthcharge12 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 The casualties from the battle for the Pharos itself didn't bother me too much. The night lord ambush on the ship though? It can't even show some token respect to the antagonists; they completely fail at one of the aspects they should excel at. It'd be like imperial fists forgetting to close a gate Lord Marshal 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted May 21, 2017 Author Share Posted May 21, 2017 The casualties from the battle for the Pharos itself didn't bother me too much. The night lord ambush on the ship though? It can't even show some token respect to the antagonists; they completely fail at one of the aspects they should excel at. It'd be like imperial fists forgetting to close a gate Didn't they succeed during the ambush on the ship? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) Didn't Phall have a high body count especially since entire battleships were destroyed instantly it's probably my favourite especially since the Fists stood a pretty damn good chance of killing The iron warriors fleet and their Primarch had they chosen not to follow their orders to retreat Edited May 21, 2017 by teutonicavenger Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Prospero, the smallest legion takes on the space wolves, Custodes, sisters of silence, a titan legion, the Sons of Horus, imperial forces and leave them all bloody while surviving themselves with a great escape. Lord Marshal and disease 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Prospero, the smallest legion takes on the space wolves, Custodes, sisters of silence, a titan legion, the Sons of Horus, imperial forces and leave them all bloody while surviving themselves with a great escape. Didnt Prospero effectively break the Thousand Sons as a Legion? The Sons of Horus were about 5000 strong and culled Psykers The Imperial Titans actually went off and got wiped out by the Titan Legion on Prospero (who were then wiped out by Psyker Titans) Prospero had mortal support in the millions and actually outnumbered the Loyalist equivalent. EDIT: My intent is not to start an argument or faction fighting, but I am generally curious on how Prospero falls into "What would you say were some of the Horus Heresy Battle with the highest kill ratios in favor of one side." EDIT 2: missed a zero Edited May 22, 2017 by Wolf Lord Kieran Lord Blackwood 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4749928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 SoH were about 5,000 strong...but they didn't really fight the TSons IIRC It was basically Russ + SW, Valdor + Custodes, and SoS versus relatively unprepared TSons minus Magnus (until the end) Saphrael 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4750009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 SoH were about 5,000 strong...but they didn't really fight the TSons IIRC It was basically Russ + SW, Valdor + Custodes, and SoS versus relatively unprepared TSons minus Magnus (until the end) Missed a zero, thanks for catching that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4750346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I'm a big Thousand Sons fan, but Prospero was objectively a massive success for the invading side. I can't remember the figures but doesn't it end up at like 50,000 wolves remaining from 75,000 vs 3000 out of 65,000 of the XVth? The Thousand Sons made a great account of themselves until they started combusting, exploding, imploding, mutating etc. Magnus being a no-show hurt too. Also all the psykersbane sisters. Supe robot gangster #1 and Runefyre 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4750367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 The casualties from the battle for the Pharos itself didn't bother me too much. The night lord ambush on the ship though? It can't even show some token respect to the antagonists; they completely fail at one of the aspects they should excel at. It'd be like imperial fists forgetting to close a gate Didn't they succeed during the ambush on the ship? Not really. The Night Lords had something like 50 guys waiting in ambush against the Ultra's 15. The opening salvos saw 1 Ultra dead against 6 of the Night Lords Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4750410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Terra. Terra was ruinous for both sides Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4750574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Regarding Prospero...it was certainly an Imperial victory. Hesitate to say it was a massive success. 30,000 [?] dead SW can't be good for the Imperium. Futhermore, the TSons were still redeemable IMO...and potential allies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4750765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 The whole point of Prospero was to be dreadful for both sides, as it kept the Wolves busy during and after - when Alaxxes happened they were at least a week of work from feeling they were ready to attack Horus (which probably means they'd have just done the absolutely essential repairs). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4750959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Regarding Prospero...it was certainly an Imperial victory. Hesitate to say it was a massive success. 30,000 [?] dead SW can't be good for the Imperium. Futhermore, the TSons were still redeemable IMO...and potential allies. The thread is about kill rations not strength of victory. Given FW astartes numbers its about 2.5:1 Bulvi Nightbane 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4751937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 No, I would not say Prospero was a clean victory. It was conceived and steered by Horus to be anything but. Istvaan V and the final battle of the Thramas Crusade are contenders, though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4752178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 No, I would not say Prospero was a clean victory. It was conceived and steered by Horus to be anything but. Istvaan V and the final battle of the Thramas Crusade are contenders, though OK, but this still isn't about how clean the victory was, nor the politics or ramifications of the battle. It's about ratios, which is pretty objective. OP had Calth at 2.4, and Prospero comes out to about the same in favor of the invaders. Consider that in both cases the attackers have the advantage of surprise, but in the Word Bearers' case they had time to deploy, set up roadblocks, enact rituals and then used devastating warp magic. The Censure Host has to enact a planetary landing against a psychic barrier, then they fight on the ground with no comms against warp magic. That's impressive, and I don't see why it doesn't deserve a mention here. Runefyre and Bulvi Nightbane 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333783-horus-heresy-battles-with-most-impressive-kill-ratios/#findComment-4752209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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