Geoffy Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Hey guys, Was trying to find a loyalist army and decided to just play my sons as such. Came up with a 2.5k list. Lemme know your thoughts. Loken Legiones Astartes Garviel Loken: Rite of War (The Black Reaving) 175 Master of Signal: artificer armour; refractor field 115 10 Reavers: Reaver Chieftain (artificer armour; power fist; melta bombs); 9 Reavers; 5 × chainaxe; 2 × power weapon; 2 × flamer; jump packs 335 10 Tactical Space Marines: Tactical Sergeant (artificer armour; power fist; melta bombs); 9 Tactical Space Marines; legion vexilla 165 • Rhino: dozer blade 40 8 Veteran Space Marines: Veteran Sergeant (artificer armour; power fist); Weaponmasters; 7 Veteran Space Marines; 5 × power weapon; legion vexilla; melta bombs 246 • Rhino: dozer blade; pintle-mounted multi-melta 55 10 Tactical Space Marines: Tactical Sergeant (artificer armour; power fist; melta bombs); 9 Tactical Space Marines; legion vexilla 165 • Rhino: dozer blade 40 Apothecarion Detachment • Apothecary: artificer armour 55 Xiphon Pattern Interceptor: ground-tracking auguries; chaff launcher; armoured cockpit 225 Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron • Javelin Attack Speeder: pintle-mounted multi-melta; 2 × hunter-killer missiles 75 Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron • Javelin Attack Speeder: pintle-mounted multi-melta; 2 × hunter-killer missiles 75 10 Heavy Support Marines: Heavy Support Sergeant; 9 Heavy Support Marines; lascannons 435 Leviathan Pattern Siege Dreadnought Talon • Leviathan Pattern Siege Dreadnought: Leviathan siege drill; Leviathan storm cannon; armoured ceramite 305 2,506 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 Thoughts... Anti armor is lascannons and leviathan and all squads have melta bombs plus javelins Plenty of troops Reavers are cool and outflank Loken goes wth apothecary and weapon smith vets Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4752419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlisimo Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 You're six points over, so we'll have to find something to cut. But I have misgivings about using Loken in a loyalist SoH army that doesn't look configured like an Isstvan III force (largely due to the presence of the Xiphon). A regular praetor might fit the concet better. In game terms, the Leviathan might be too easy to avoid since it's on foot - I think it really needs a dreadnought drop pod, and this rite of war helps with reserve rolls so it's a good idea anyway. Hard to find a source for those points other than the lascannon squad though. Speaking of which, they're likely to be attacked by deep striking units and artillery. S9 is great, but would taking another four Javelins have a similar effect? Lower strength, but more shots and they can outflank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4752450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 Well at least right now I like 10 lascannons hitting on 2s with the master of signal. My thought was to place troops nearby to protect but they will be a high priority target for my opponent for sure. I would like to get a dread pod. Any recs on where points could come from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4752464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 I could also drop the lascannon duders all together and maybe try some seekers? I feel like I need something that meshes well with the master of signal so he isn't just hanging out in a forest or building by himself. I could also take a LR proteus to further boost my reserves rolls and mess with my opponents. I'm just not really taking much to take advantage of that right yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4753699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 Loken Legiones Astartes Garviel Loken: Rite of War (The Black Reaving) 175 Master of Signal: artificer armour; refractor field 115 10 Reavers: Reaver Chieftain (artificer armour; power fist; melta bombs); 9 Reavers; 5 × chainaxe; 2 × power weapon; 2 × flamer; jump packs 335 20 Tactical Space Marines: Tactical Sergeant (artificer armour; power fist; melta bombs); 19 Tactical Space Marines; chainswords; nuncio-vox; legion vexilla 315 9 Veteran Space Marines: Veteran Sergeant (artificer armour; power fist); Weaponmasters; 8 Veteran Space Marines; 5 × power weapon; legion vexilla; melta bombs 258 • Rhino: dozer blade; pintle-mounted multi-melta 55 20 Tactical Space Marines: Tactical Sergeant (artificer armour; power fist; melta bombs); 19 Tactical Space Marines; nuncio-vox; legion vexilla 275 Apothecarion Detachment • Apothecary: artificer armour 55 • Apothecary: artificer armour 55 2 Rapier Carriers: 2 × laser destroyer array 110 Xiphon Pattern Interceptor: ground-tracking auguries; chaff launcher; armoured cockpit 225 Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron • Javelin Attack Speeder: pintle-mounted multi-melta; hull-mounted twin-linked lascannon; 2 × hunter-killer missiles 85 Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron • Javelin Attack Speeder: pintle-mounted multi-melta; hull-mounted twin-linked lascannon; 2 × hunter-killer missiles 85 10 Heavy Support Marines: Heavy Support Sergeant; 9 Heavy Support Marines; missile launchers; flakk missiles 335 2,478 points Made some changes... Apothecaries go with large tac blobs. Try to take advantage of rage. Missile heavies are cheaper and have sky fire with flakk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4753767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I think until Saturday at 11am UK time, it would be best to hold off on any decisions. Only reason I haven't posted any more suggestions. I think this will be my standard response for the next few days. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4754067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 I think until Saturday at 11am UK time, it would be best to hold off on any decisions. Only reason I haven't posted any more suggestions. I think this will be my standard response for the next few days. :) Awesome. What do you think they will decide/announce? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4754815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 I honestly cannot say. I think I'm hoping they go for full 8th Ed rules, as old editions never really hold up. WFB was a major example of this. But we'll know for sure in 24 hours! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4755096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritual Liege Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Yea old editions don't hold up and 8th seems pretty good, i'm just afraid of the change. Everything I've planned, built and painted will be different and I can't tell what is good anymore for like half a year Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4755156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 Yea I just found a 30k list I like to run too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4755472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 So what happened? Can you comment on the list now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4757591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Looks like 30k is staying with a version of 7th Edition, with an updated rulebook coming soon. We don't know exactly how long it will be before it comes out, or how long it will be applicable (as they may/will eventually move to 8th Edition). So, the list... 15-man Tactical Squads are usually big enough. 20 becomes quite unwieldy on the field. Good way to save some points. The Weaponmaster Veterans could really use an Assault Vehicle - they won't be charging out of a Rhino, so they're gonna sit in the open for a turn. Maybe a Dreadclaw? I prefer Javelins with Cyclone Missile Launchers - Strength 8 synergy with the multi-melta & HKMs, and they have 2 shots. Xiphons aren't great, but I do love the model and they are very good at anti-air. ML Heavy Support Squads are actually surprisingly good, but you have anti-air covered with the Xiphon. For An extra 100 points you could take lascannons. You need something to hit heavy armour. Finally, Reavers with jump packs are better value at full size. And the Chieftain won't need melta bombs with a power fist. Hope this helps! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4757742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 Thank you. This does help! You don't think the laser destroyer rapiers and lascannon javs provide enough AT? I like dropping to 15 in the tac squads. Def frees up some points. My only other concern is if I put the vets and loken in the dreadclaw they will have to come in turn one and they might be on their own for a while until the javs or reavers can outflank or the tac guys can slog it up to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333872-loyalist-sons-25k/#findComment-4758323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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