The Lion, Wolf King, and Howl of the Hearthworld

[Indefragable]

What are people's thoughts on those short stories in the subject?

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

the Lion I think I remember enjoying reading it, but I honestly dont remember much about it. Not much help here, sorry

 

the Wolf King I think this is essential reading for any of the Vlka Fenryka, or those who want a greater look at Russ. He does and says some...interesting things in the story.

 

Howl of the Hearthworld This one frustrates me, only because it is a teaser of a larger story that didnt come to happen. This story gave lots of awesome info and characters in a few pages, and introduced characters that were supposed to (but were cut) appear in Master of Mankind. So its awesome, but frustrating because the teaser only teased.

 

WLK

Edited May 28, 2017 by Wolf Lord Kieran

[b1soul]

I would prefer Zephon + Watch Pack...rather than Zephon + Diocletian

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

I would prefer Zephon + Watch Pack...rather than Zephon + Diocletian

 

Something we 1000% agree on.

[Augustus]

The Lion took (forgive me) the Lion from Savage Weapons and made him do head scratching things. Edited May 28, 2017 by Augustus

[bluntblade]

Was that the hide and seek story?

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

The Lion took (forgive me) the Lion from Savage Weapons and made him do head scratching things.

Wait, was this the story where the Lion deals with a differing opinion on orders in the most hilarious way possible?

 

Because if so, then I found it ridiculous

[A D-B]

I would prefer Zephon + Watch Pack...rather than Zephon + Diocletian

 

Me three. 

 

Howl of the Hearthworld weren't cut for space and deleted forever. They were cut because I was avoiding Space Marines in that book, and I wanted them to hang out with Zephon in the Siege of Terra. Now they're set up, Zephon's set up, and hopefully they can rock and/or roll as the main characters if I get to do a Siege novel.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

 

I would prefer Zephon + Watch Pack...rather than Zephon + Diocletian

 

Me three. 

 

Howl of the Hearthworld weren't cut for space and deleted forever. They were cut because I was avoiding Space Marines in that book, and I wanted them to hang out with Zephon in the Siege of Terra. Now they're set up, Zephon's set up, and hopefully they can rock and/or roll as the main characters if I get to do a Siege novel.

 

 

Please tell me who needs to be bribed or otherwise coerced to make this happen.

[Kelborn]

We can be very persuasive...

[Augustus]

Yep. That's right, WLK.

[Indefragable]

***DISCLAIMER: the story has not even been written yet, so this is passing judgement in a Minority Report sort of way. Secondly, any story can be awesome in its own way, all depending on The who/what/why/how and of course the writer's abilities.***

 

 

Above disclaimer aside, I can't help but roll my eyes: "a story about the Siege of Terra that stars Space Wolves. Of course! A novel about Blood Angels (Fear to Tread) requires Space Wolf characters to steal the show. A novel about UM/DA/BA (Unremembered Empire) and a SW watch pack has to chew screen time. I mean, I must have missed the part where Space Wolves saved the day at Istvaan as well."

 

<wipes brow>

 

Ok, that's out. That's not a knock on the VI Legion. Some of us have already discussed how my abundant gripes about them are not about THEM so much as GW/BL's favoritism for some forces over others. Nor is it a knock on an author wanting to continue using characters he developed. Nothing wrong there.

 

It's just a bit...eye rolling...to consider the pivotal moment of two Factions who have had very little screen time (Imperial Fists and Blood Angels) have their shining moment feature another force so heavily.

[A D-B]

***DISCLAIMER: the story has not even been written yet, so this is passing judgement in a Minority Report sort of way. Secondly, any story can be awesome in its own way, all depending on The who/what/why/how and of course the writer's abilities.***

 

 

Above disclaimer aside, I can't help but roll my eyes: "a story about the Siege of Terra that stars Space Wolves. Of course! A novel about Blood Angels (Fear to Tread) requires Space Wolf characters to steal the show. A novel about UM/DA/BA (Unremembered Empire) and a SW watch pack has to chew screen time. I mean, I must have missed the part where Space Wolves saved the day at Istvaan as well."

 

<wipes brow>

 

Ok, that's out. That's not a knock on the VI Legion. Some of us have already discussed how my abundant gripes about them are not about THEM so much as GW/BL's favoritism for some forces over others. Nor is it a knock on an author wanting to continue using characters he developed. Nothing wrong there.

 

It's just a bit...eye rolling...to consider the pivotal moment of two Factions who have had very little screen time (Imperial Fists and Blood Angels) have their shining moment feature another force so heavily.

 

What you're describing (in a very unpleasant and petty way, by the by - but, I admit, entirely understandable) would be an issue if context didn't exist.

 

But there's not going to be one Siege of Terra novel, is there? Right now you're objecting to the freaking idea that one novel set in the Siege of Terra has Blood Angel and Space Wolf main characters. That's literally what you're objecting to.

 

Is this the hill you want to die on? Honestly?

Edited May 28, 2017 by A D-B

[TheRealMcCagh]

Space Wolves stole the show in Fear to Tread? Or Unremembered Empire? Sure, they get some lines, but think of what happens to those Wolfpacks. Hardly 'stealing the show' and much closer to

get thrashed and leave blood stains for the actual main characters to look at.

 

Also, the world needs more Zephon. Can Arkan Land and Zephon get a spin off series where they just pal around Terra going on wacky adventures

Edited May 28, 2017 by TheRealMcCagh

[bluntblade]

AD-B, assuming you'll write some core BA characters, as well as Zephon, who are you keenest to work on?

[A D-B]

AD-B, assuming you'll write some core BA characters, as well as Zephon, who are you keenest to work on?

 

Some guy with wings who has to stand in front of a big door so his dad can keep sitting in a chair. 

 

But I never write primarchs as main characters, so if I got to write the Eternity Gate, the main characters would be Zephon and Howl of the Hearthworld, (and probably Land and Jaya on Terra somewhere, too.)

[bluntblade]

I was kind of taking Sanguinius as read.

[A D-B]

I was kind of taking Sanguinius as read.

 

LET ME TRY TO BE FUNNY. GAWD.

[Indefragable]

 

What you're describing (in a very unpleasant and petty way, by the by - but, I admit, entirely understandable) would be an issue if context didn't exist.

 

But there's not going to be one Siege of Terra novel, is there? Right now you're objecting to the freaking idea that one novel set in the Siege of Terra has Blood Angel and Space Wolf main characters. That's literally what you're objecting to.

 

Is this the hill you want to die on? Honestly?

 

 

It's not a petty response....it's an extremely petty response!

 

Rage rage rage! I shake my fist at the ideas in your head before they are even committed to paper! I go back in time to kill the mother of your ideas before they can even be birthed!

 

So yes, it is an unpleasant reaction. Especially considering you've shared with us your ideas as they exist in your head. But that's exactly what I am doing as well: in my head before anything actually exists, the idea annoys me. For all the reasons I always seem to bring up (blah blah not enough Blood Angels blah blah blah).  Imagine someone discussing the possibility of your favorite player on your favorite team getting traded away.: what's your initial reaction to the idea going to be? As i included in my disclaimer, there is plenty of room for pretty much any story to work, so I will absolutely reserve judgement until after the chef has had time to finish the dish.

 

And it's not a hill I will die on...it's the gates of the palace :)

 

 

Space Wolves stole the show in Fear to Tread? Or Unremembered Empire? Sure, they get some lines, but think of what happens to those Wolfpacks. Hardly 'stealing the show' and much closer to

get thrashed and leave blood stains for the actual main characters to look at.

 

Also, the world needs more Zephon. Can Arkan Land and Zephon get a spin off series where they just pal around Terra going on wacky adventures

 

My point is more of the fact that SW "always" get screen time. The idea of Watchpacks, and exploring how each Legion/Primarch reacts to them is kind of an interesting baseline that could help flesh out each Legion's character. However, in my humble and sometime unpleasantly petty opinion, their appearance rarely has that effect. Instead it's "oh wow, cool! The Space Wolves are here! Let's talk about how cool they are!"  Some SW fans and I have discussed that fact and they have agreed with me to a certain degree.

 

I guess this means my hand is forced and I have to get Howl of the Hearthworld.

 

As for Zephon, I have Master of Mankind on order, so no comment there.

 

 

Some guy with wings who has to stand in front of a big door so his dad can keep sitting in a chair. 

 

 

 

SEE! I KNEW ADB WOULD RUIN IT! HE'S PUTTING CURZE AT THE SIEGE OF TERRA!!!!!!!!!

 

RAGE RAGE RAGE!!!!

 

 

Trying to be funny as well.

[A D-B]

 

 

What you're describing (in a very unpleasant and petty way, by the by - but, I admit, entirely understandable) would be an issue if context didn't exist.

 

But there's not going to be one Siege of Terra novel, is there? Right now you're objecting to the freaking idea that one novel set in the Siege of Terra has Blood Angel and Space Wolf main characters. That's literally what you're objecting to.

 

Is this the hill you want to die on? Honestly?

 

 

It's not a petty response....it's an extremely petty response!

 

Well, yeah, but we're all allowed to be petty. My "hill / dying on" remark was supposed to make my post light-hearted and show I didn't think you were being super-serious, but it just looked vicious, so that one's on me. 

[Indefragable]

 

 

 

What you're describing (in a very unpleasant and petty way, by the by - but, I admit, entirely understandable) would be an issue if context didn't exist.

 

But there's not going to be one Siege of Terra novel, is there? Right now you're objecting to the freaking idea that one novel set in the Siege of Terra has Blood Angel and Space Wolf main characters. That's literally what you're objecting to.

 

Is this the hill you want to die on? Honestly?

 

 

It's not a petty response....it's an extremely petty response!

 

Well, yeah, but we're all allowed to be petty. My "hill / dying on" remark was supposed to make my post light-hearted and show I didn't think you were being super-serious, but it just looked vicious, so that one's on me. 

 

 

Well you raised a good point which I take to heart. "Man in the ring" and all that.

 

As for me, I'm getting my knee looked at. With all this 8th Edition info dripping out it's been jerking quite a bit of late.

[b1soul]

I'd be totally down for a siege novel with the Terran Watch Pack as major supporting characters.

 

That said, I would prefer a BA/IF/WS as the core protagonist. A WS would be less likely, given the legion's rather niche popularity, but I can dream.

 

Anyway...I am glad Howl of the Hearthworld has not been forgotten.

 

I'm rambling a bit here...but I felt the Watch Pack in Fear to Tread was criminally underused. So much opportunity for interactions between SW and BA and all we got was a brief massacre scene.

 

I did like the Watch Pack in Unremembered Empire. Power levels were a bit wonky in that novel, but the Curze vs. Watch Pack encounter actually had me rooting for the SW for once.

 

I'd love to read more about inter-legion interaction. An anthology of stories about inter-legion secondment would be totally awesome

[HeritorA]

 

I would prefer Zephon + Watch Pack...rather than Zephon + Diocletian

 

Me three. 

 

Howl of the Hearthworld weren't cut for space and deleted forever. They were cut because I was avoiding Space Marines in that book, and I wanted them to hang out with Zephon in the Siege of Terra. Now they're set up, Zephon's set up, and hopefully they can rock and/or roll as the main characters if I get to do a Siege novel.

 

 

1) Let's pretend we all know and believe that Siege of Terra would be a conglomerate of novels - of which I think at least 1 would be yours Aaron. In all seriousness - from the point of logic it is obvious to do Siege of Terra at least a trilogy with the additional novellas (even LE) for particular parts of it.  Or a duology of trilogies. So it would be nice to see the events of the Siege of Terra and Imperium Palace through the eyes of Zephon and Howl of the Hearthworld pack.

I do believe you already planned the Siege of system Solar and IMperial Palace - and all authors knew whom and which part they will write. I mean the ring of authors that survived the cult knife fight 'I would be writing that'

2) 'Well, yeah, but we're all allowed to be petty. My "hill / dying on" remark was supposed to make my post light-hearted and show I didn't think you were being super-serious, but it just looked vicious, so that one's on me'

- it's all nice and funny. Good humor brother - you simply forget that as a father (literal and as a writer to a created/owned character) some of want to be kids at least for several minutes outside our scope of  'life'.

3) Same as b1soul I like that Howl of the Hearthworld has not been forgotten.

I'd love to read more about inter-legion interaction. An anthology of stories about inter-legion secondment would be totally awesome. That should happen before the Solar system siege and during the Siege of Imperial Palace. It would have an interesting duality and world-view to it.

Again - thank you for your attention and thoughts A D-B

[A D-B]

I'd be totally down for a siege novel with the Terran Watch Pack as major supporting characters.

 

That said, I would prefer a BA/IF/WS as the core protagonist. A WS would be less likely, given the legion's rather niche popularity, but I can dream.

 

You, ah, may be underselling just how much word count the Scars have already had. More than many other Legions, certainly.

 

Again, guys and gals, remember there are going to be several novels set in the Siege of Terra. Given how much word count the White Scars have had in the parts of the Heresy where they famously did nothing, do you think they'll get ignored at the part when they did loads? Or that the Fists will be ignored? Or the Traitor Legions that are there, which obviously need writing about, too?

 

Including five or six other Legionaries in one novel out of several isn't a big deal, especially when I said they'd be main characters with a Blood Angel. Like... we can't all write White Scars and Imperial Fists novels. Let some of us do other stuff, I beg ya.

[HeritorA]

 

I'd be totally down for a siege novel with the Terran Watch Pack as major supporting characters.

 

That said, I would prefer a BA/IF/WS as the core protagonist. A WS would be less likely, given the legion's rather niche popularity, but I can dream.

 

You, ah, may be underselling just how much word count the Scars have already had. More than many other Legions, certainly.

 

Again, guys and gals, remember there are going to be several novels set in the Siege of Terra. Given how much word count the White Scars have had in the parts of the Heresy where they famously did nothing, do you think they'll get ignored at the part when they did loads? Or that the Fists will be ignored? Or the Traitor Legions that are there, which obviously need writing about, too?

 

Including five or six other Legionaries in one novel out of several isn't a big deal, especially when I said they'd be main characters with a Blood Angel. Like... we can't all write White Scars and Imperial Fists novels. Let some of us do other stuff, I beg ya.

 

And we totally agree with ya. The main point is - that it should be done in proper manner. Like some of the traitor legions point could be explained during breaking the Pluto/Lunar void defences, some by striking for the Lion spaceport, some by breaking the walls of the IMperial Palace, some (EC) slaughtering and hunting Earth population etc.

Same with the loyalist - Scars for the Lion spaceport, Dorn for the Imperial Palace, BA for VS assault and inner palace battles and after Sangy death counterattack.

 

Main point is - that BL should not decide the worst way to do 'The Siege of Terra' - making authors write Siege of Terra separate novels for Each Legion involved from the both sides. In that case it would be a bad B/C class TV show with 12-16 episodes...

Edited May 29, 2017 by HeritorA