Damon Nightman Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) I'm Brother Lemartes! Look at me! Yeah I'm disappointed about the D.C. but that's really it so far... oh yeah and the libby dread. Most people seem happy with the libby dread, so I'll remain optimistic; however, the 3 attacks when every other dread has 4 is silly imo... I'm looking forward to trying to make a list tonight (if we can see all the point values that is) Edited May 30, 2017 by Brother Lemartes Grazcruzk 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Interesting, and we're going to need to have a lot of overlapping bonuses and such to maximise our potential. I wish the bonuses were cumulative. Multiple +1 S from priests would be cool. On that, we're back to 5th ed with no base furious charge and priest bubbles. No big deal. What I am excited about is the predator autocannon. That thing is beastly. Death co dreads are also awesome, fists all the way for high School and guaranteed damage. I like the odds of a 7" charge into a vehicle from a pod. Damon Nightman 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemisor Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 wow, goodbye death company and Dante, we had a good run. Any rules for Seth spotted or is he not in any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) No rules for him yet that we can see from the leaks but you can see his chainsword somewhere on there... Edited May 30, 2017 by Brother Lemartes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 they did the same thing in second edition with the black codex pamphlet (every model in every army had useable rules/stats and wargear in), and again in third edition they put out standard rules to get by but without special rules. The special rules will follow in the new proper 8th edition codecii. If they put out all teh rules in this combined codex then no-one would need/want to buy the faction specific ones later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda_Saurus_Rex Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 https://imgur.com/a/ayv2c Khorne Berserkers are just S5 automatically AND cost less than Death Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Am I the only one who thinks that Dante is decent enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 https://imgur.com/a/ayv2c Khorne Berserkers are just S5 automatically AND cost less than Death Co. LOL just S5??? "this unit can fight twice in each fight phase" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda_Saurus_Rex Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 https://imgur.com/a/ayv2c Khorne Berserkers are just S5 automatically AND cost less than Death Co. LOL just S5??? "this unit can fight twice in each fight phase" Better than Death Co in every way and cheaper to boot. This is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I only dislike the lack of a command type ability for Dante showing his tactical genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 https://imgur.com/a/ayv2c Khorne Berserkers are just S5 automatically AND cost less than Death Co. LOL just S5??? "this unit can fight twice in each fight phase" Better than Death Co in every way and cheaper to boot. This is ridiculous. It seems like we are missing something. Death Company are Power Level 9. Berzerkers are 5. I don't get it. On paper Berzerkers are better hands down. Is it just because of equipment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 https://imgur.com/a/ayv2c Khorne Berserkers are just S5 automatically AND cost less than Death Co. LOL just S5??? "this unit can fight twice in each fight phase" Better than Death Co in every way and cheaper to boot. This is ridiculous. Τhey are just 1 point cheaper. They are better than the DC, no doubt about that, but the only reason is because they attack twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) It seems like we are missing something. Death Company are Power Level 9. Berzerkers are 5. I don't get it. On paper Berzerkers are better hands down. Is it just because of equipment? It seems that someone in GW overrates how the DC perform for some reason.That's why they nerfed them into oblivion. This is just one more nail in the coffin in their claim that they playtested the out of this edition. No one in his right mind would hit the DC so hard. they are not that OP :cuss Edited May 30, 2017 by Jolemai Swear filter dodge Panda_Saurus_Rex 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Acronyms are sweat filter dodges folks, please don't use them. Venerable Jazzman 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venerable Jazzman Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 https://imgur.com/a/ayv2c Khorne Berserkers are just S5 automatically AND cost less than Death Co. LOL just S5??? "this unit can fight twice in each fight phase" Better than Death Co in every way and cheaper to boot. This is ridiculous. Τhey are just 1 point cheaper. They are better than the DC, no doubt about that, but the only reason is because they attack twice. We have no idea currently what other rules might or might not apply to the DC We have seen some pages of the probable new rulebook, which may well have been photographed on a toilet floor looking at some of the background I tidied up earlier. NTaW, Inquisitor Eisenhorn, Valerian and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 https://imgur.com/a/ayv2c Khorne Berserkers are just S5 automatically AND cost less than Death Co. LOL just S5??? "this unit can fight twice in each fight phase" Better than Death Co in every way and cheaper to boot. This is ridiculous. Τhey are just 1 point cheaper. They are better than the DC, no doubt about that, but the only reason is because they attack twice. We have no idea currently what other rules might or might not apply to the DC We have seen some pages of the probable new rulebook, which may well have been photographed on a toilet floor looking at some of the background I tidied up earlier. This sounds more like wishful thinking... ;) Comparing just the datasheets it's pretty obvious who's the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM1981 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Is a Priest/Corbulo just and auto include now? that Blood Chalice and Narthecium are incredible, a constant +1 Str and being able to bring back models. Nope. You're essentially paying for a 4+ FNP on one model only, and for added chuckles if you fail the 50/50 roll the Priest doesn't get to act in that turn. Wouldn't bother taking a Priest now. It seems as though FNP has been nerfed across the board, and I suspect we have deathstars to thank for that. The Shield of Sanguinius Psychic ability looks like the only fix here. So squad of DC, Astorath for the buffs he provides, and then a Psyker to cast 4+FNP on them also. The 2 catches being the cost of the Psyker (although this is slightly mitigated by cheaper DC marines and the fact it's a 4+ not a 5+), and that Astorath will also not benefit from the power (although he has a Rosarius which gives him a 4+ Invun anyway, and as you can't stack Invun saves you're not really loosing). Edited May 30, 2017 by SM1981 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 https://imgur.com/a/ayv2c Khorne Berserkers are just S5 automatically AND cost less than Death Co. LOL just S5???"this unit can fight twice in each fight phase" Better than Death Co in every way and cheaper to boot. This is ridiculous. It seems like we are missing something. Death Company are Power Level 9. Berzerkers are 5. I don't get it. On paper Berzerkers are better hands down. Is it just because of equipment? With the power level system, this includes all upgrades. DC can upgrade more than berserkers. That 9 power gets everyone in the DC unit a power fist and an infernus pistol. Ebsolom, NTaW, Grazcruzk and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mapple Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 It seems like we are missing something. Death Company are Power Level 9. Berzerkers are 5. I don't get it. On paper Berzerkers are better hands down. Is it just because of equipment? With the power level system, this includes all upgrades. DC can upgrade more than berserkers. That 9 power gets everyone in the DC unit a power fist and an infernus pistol. IAlso, look at the key words for the Khorne Bezerkers. They are World Eaters Legion, not a filler tag for a keyword. This might mean they're harder to incorporate into other vehicles, forces, and such. See the Khârn entry that gives rerolls specific to other World Eaters?. The Death Company benefit from EVERY buff the other Blood Angels have access to. We really just don't know right now everything that this could mean or the limitations of it. Bezerkers have no x2 strength weapons. No jump packs. No FNP from Black Rage (or something similar we know of), etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) I made a list based off of my LATF and DCSF list. I doubt I have all the points right, but I think it's close enough: 1916pts Lemartes = 129pts SP + JP + BP/CS = 86pts 10xDC + JP + PF = 220pts 10xDC + JP + PF = 220pts 5xDC + PF = 105pts (ride in LRR) DC Dread + fists + MG + HF + SB = 202pts Drop Pod + Storm Bolter = 105pts Baal Pred + AC + 2xHB = 162pts Baal Pred + FC = 137pts Pred + TLC + 2xLC = 202pts LRR + MM + 2xFC + AC = 366pts Doesn't seem too bad... If my points are correct, I would probably give the 2nd Baal the heavy flamers and maybe some more weapons on the DC to get it up to 2k. I noticed that Baal Preds can't take storm bolters now? Edit: looks like I would have to run this list as 1 Vanguard detachment and also 1 Spearhead detachment Edited May 30, 2017 by Brother Lemartes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Angelus Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Realistically very few people are going to use the power rating system, or build their armies to min/max that framework. It's a shame that the rating appears in each entry but the points are hidden away in a separate index. I'm surprised that GW, after the lessons of AoS, are again trying an alternative to pure points. I suppose the logic is that simple power ratings are more 'accessible' than lots of mathematics, but again, AoS has shown people like points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 These leaks are making me wonder what all these experts tested? It is possible that there are a bunch of codex planned for release soon after the new edition. Perhaps the experts have been playing testing the yet to be leaked/announced codex? And the stuff we are seeing now is just a stop gap and hopefully very temporary I know it's probably wishful thinking bit it is possible! There was talk about another campaign focusing on the Devastation of Baal.... maybe we will see a better rule system this year? Or maybe vanilla marines will be updated soon/first and we will be rolled in with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durdle-durdle Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Need to find someone who will take about 2-3 of my drop pods for rhinos. I think mech assault is going to be where it's at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I'm surprised that GW, after the lessons of AoS, are again trying an alternative to pure points. I suppose the logic is that simple power ratings are more 'accessible' than lots of mathematics, but again, AoS has shown people like points. AoS points have significantly more in common with this Power Rating system than with granular points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Need to find someone who will take about 2-3 of my drop pods for rhinos. I think mech assault is going to be where it's at. RIP drop pods. as normal ones can't carry centurions, primaris marines, nor dreadnoughts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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