Nemisor Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Im wondering if these rules are a bit lackluster because when an actual codex comes out we will end up with primarus versions of these units, and they will be decent.....slowly shifting us all to primarus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 They can't carry dreads now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I only ever bought 1 drop pod, as I never liked spamming them and thought they were OP and resulted in a negative play experience for my friends. So I've always been a Rhino man, I have 4 of them (2 can double as Razorbacks), so I'm pretty jazzed about this. Venerable Jazzman 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 They can't carry dreads now? Â Nope. :( Â https://imgur.com/Rke8Zfk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 That seems kind of ridiculous, but oh well... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) They're only a few more points (30/40?) than a Rhino and show up anywhere on the table not within 9" of an enemy on the turn of your choosing. Still a pretty good transport I'd say, though it's shocking all vehicles have gone up considerably in price in return for improved survivability. Â My Furioso Dreadnoughts will be riding in Stormravens! That will be fun. Curious to see how Flyers are going to work. Edited May 31, 2017 by NTaW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 They're only a few more points (30/40?) than a Rhino and show up anywhere on the table not within 9" of an enemy on the turn of your choosing. Still a pretty good transport I'd say, though it's shocking all vehicles have gone up considerably in price in return for improved survivability. Â My Furioso Dreadnoughts will be riding in Stormravens! That will be fun. Curious to see how Flyers are going to work. Â They work like this: Â Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebs_evo7 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Â Â They can't carry dreads now? Nope. :( Â https://imgur.com/Rke8Zfk This has significantly dampened my enthusiasm so 8th. Even in the fluff they ride in drop pods Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017   They can't carry dreads now? Nope.  https://imgur.com/Rke8Zfk This has significantly dampened my enthusiasm so 8th. Even in the fluff they ride in drop pods  You are supposed to buy the FW Dreadnought drop pod, I guess. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Does the is mean flyers start the game on the battlefield now? And are only -1 to hit instead of snap fire'ing and no jink to save them, or no ceremite plating. Wow it's going to be interesting how meta they become. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Interesting that the raven cannot carry primaris Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dread05 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) It looks like nothing can carry Primaris tbh. Â well apart from the Primaris rhino that is. Edited May 31, 2017 by dread05 Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4762988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionNL Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Note that the Rhino Primaris is the command Rhino from the Warhammer World exclusive box. Has nothing to do with Primaris marines: Â Hidden Content http://www.tabletopencounters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Space-Marine-Rhino-Primaris-Command-Tank.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Hard choice as ever for Stormraven weapon options. At least now the hurricanes can shoot at a different target to any anti tank weapons. Â Missiles are no longer one use it seems, so the stormstrike adds power to an anti tank build. Â Asscans + hurricanes + typhoon (frag) + 2 storm strike missiles nets you an average of 45 shots at 12" range, up to a max of 50. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Angelus Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) They work like this:  Hidden Content Interesting to see the missiles are now persistent weapons. Although seeing those stats I wish i'd magnetised my turrets. AC doesn't go so well against vehicles/MC in this edition. Edited May 31, 2017 by Brother_Angelus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrbOfAntioch Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I'm Brother Lemartes! Look at me! Â Yeah I'm disappointed about the D.C. but that's really it so far... oh yeah and the libby dread. Most people seem happy with the libby dread, so I'll remain optimistic; however, the 3 attacks when every other dread has 4 is silly imo... Â I'm looking forward to trying to make a list tonight (if we can see all the point values that is) Â If DC took a hit power-wise....one could take a look at the composition of my Entire army http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/923/V90vfo.jpg ...and realize that I am not a happy camper. Oh well. I'll still play them because I love them.. DeathcompanyDante 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The Dreads and Drop pod thing is a joke right? Â Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebs_evo7 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The Dreads and Drop pod thing is a joke right? Â I'm not going to come in hard and say it makes our cc dreads unplayable but it certainly makes it difficult to find a place in a list Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Well having just seen the Space Wolf leaked rules, I am struggling to believe there isn't someone at GW who hates the Angels. Â Wulfen are so much better than the Death Company it's untrue - better basic stats (extra strength and wound and move 7), better feel no pain (5+ normal AND get to make their attacks if slain before striking), get to advance and then charge (so pretty much Jump pack charge bonus without needing jump packs), re-roll failed charges AND they have two different buff bubbles. Â Oh and insult to injury, they get to keep 'Krom' from their box as a named Character where we lose Karlaen. Â Increasingly feeling like sitting this edition out until we get a codex. Chaplain Gunzhard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Well having just seen the Space Wolf leaked rules, I am struggling to believe there isn't someone at GW who hates the Angels. Â Wulfen are so much better than the Death Company it's untrue - better basic stats (extra strength and wound and move 7), better feel no pain (5+ normal AND get to make their attacks if slain before striking), get to advance and then charge (so pretty much Jump pack charge bonus without needing jump packs), re-roll failed charges AND they have two different buff bubbles. Â How many points are they compared to DC? Â SW have always been the crutch army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I wasn't too sad about DC. Â But it seems like 5+ FNP is friggin everywhere? Â Electro Priests have it. The justification being they are Zealous. Â WUT. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just have to accept that a portion of the design team clearly aren't blood angels fans. Just how it is. Dont-Be-Haten and Chaplain Gunzhard 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrne Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Shame... why do we always get shafted haha. Oh well. Still looking forward to the change! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The more leaks I see the more it seems like they nerfed our stuff for no reason... I'm trying to stay optimistic, but it's just a little baffling. Other HQs give an extra command point but Dante doesn't? Other HQs/weapons have "on the charge, do d6 instead of D3 damage" which seems like a perfect type of thing to give us.. the guys that specialize in assaults and charging? I just don't get it, do they really not have anyone around that cares or has an idea as to how BA can be a flavorful and fun army? Their main concern for awhile seems to be to make sure BA aren't too powerful, which should be way way down on the list of things to worry about with this game considering we haven't been too powerful since 5th maybe? Â I really curious to see our faction focus... Chaplain Gunzhard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Â Â I really curious to see our faction focus... Â A bit about jump pack assault, bit about Sang Guard, bit about Lemartes assault re-roll, a bit about BA Primaris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334012-8th-edition-rulesdatasheets-for-bas-leaked/page/7/#findComment-4763483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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