vahouth Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I keep hearing that the indexes are temporary and that we'll get our codex soon. How sure are we of this? i cannot find any confirmation. OTOH, I heard GW say that the indexes are here to stay and that point costs are not included in the datasheets so that they can adjust when the time for an update comes. So, what's real and what's not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 So what's the deal huh? Azrael is supreme tactician and Dante is not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Azrael and calgar both are... At warhammer fest, robin said codexes would be "sooner than you might think". Everything else he told me has been true so I bet the first ones drop in july/august. I'd guess at space marines/chaos space marines tbh (that's pure speculation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 dreads will still have the lucius! NTaW 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 dreads will still have the lucius! Now there's a project I have been putting off...making foamcore DDPs! Nothing like being forced into action by changing rules :lol: On the topic of meltaguns in Assault squads, well shucks. Not gonna lie though I definitely thought it would happen with Angel's Blade. It sure seems like you get to choose when your Reserves arrive though, can we choose to have our Stormravens show up T1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) dreads will still have the lucius! I was talking to a mate about this earlier. Here's to hoping plastic DDPs are a thing! Edited May 31, 2017 by Dont-Be-Haten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durdle-durdle Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 So is the Baal press like +40 points or so (before heavy bolter sponsons) over a razorback for the +1 wound, and overcharged engines? Razors seem kinda better than Baal press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonExarch Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) So after much thinking....This is going to be the first list I test out in 8th edition.....It is based on models I own/can easily proxy and is mostly aimed at testing out how things fare in this edition. - The tactical squads are equipped to take on any eventuality and have rhinos for mobility. - Scout squads with snipers seem good with the possibility of them dealing mortal wounds. The missile launchers seem a lot better now that every model in a unit can fire independently. - The vindicators provide much needed punching power against units with lots of wounds. - Baal predators seem great on paper and provide lots of shots to force rolls on high-priority targets. - The Sanguinary guard (and Ancient), Sanguinor, Sanguinary priest and Librarian all stay together and make a pseudo- death star that can either jump assault somewhere or start on the board in cover. This is just an initial list.....Id like to test Librarian dreads and Death company with Lemartes out next.....My first opponent of 8th Edition will be Grey Knights on Friday.... Thoughts? Edited June 1, 2017 by CrimsonExarch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) Have we seen the Librarian entry to know they can indeed take jump packs? I know there's been a lot of conjecture on the topic. Looks like about the same model count as before for BA at 2k. Edited June 1, 2017 by NTaW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonExarch Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 Have we seen the Librarian entry to know they can indeed take jump packs? I know there's been a lot of conjecture on the topic. Looks like about the same model count as before for BA at 2k. NTaW 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Thanks! :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durdle-durdle Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) just realized you can still take special weapons assault marines in the form of company vets with jump packs (i think we're the only ones who get them too), except it's an extra 3 PPm over normal assault marines. you DO get an extra attack and higher ld though, so i'm okay with it. also the ability to pimp out the whole squad, if you wanted to. I'm not quite sure what use regular assault marines are though. The company vets are the special weapon bearers. death company are the chaff close combat killers (they're still 4 attacks each on the charge with chainswords, guys, it's not that bad). Sanguinary guard kill the 'ard targets. assault marines are a little cheaper than death co and company vets, but i don't think i'd use them. i'd splurge the small amount for the other two, honestly. so i'm largely okay with that. my only real issues are dante and the baal predator. I mean, c'mon GW. edit: also the psychic powers. blood boil is bad. shield of sanguinius is good, but at a 4+, i'm unlikely to think it highly necessary most of the time. unleash rage is good though. Edited June 1, 2017 by durdle-durdle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 dreads will still have the lucius! Do we ? It's gone from the Forge World website and Forge World have yet to release their 8th ed rules. All signs pointing towards a new plastic drop pod for Dreads/Primaris stuff. Launched the same time as the Primaris Dread ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 It's not on the FW website because its mould it getting re-done. They have since said they don't have a release window for it so they can't estimate a return (too much other stuff in or something). I fully expect it to be in the relevant FW book - it was certainly in the last HH book and when that came out, the Lucius was out of stock. Meanwhile I have been proxying them with regular Drop Pods minus the guns (and internals). Perhaps you could do that in the interim? Dont-Be-Haten 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dread05 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Any chance you have the data sheet for the company veterans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 From what I've seen so far it looks like a no brainer that the DC must be accompanied by Lemartes an a Sanguinary Priest. I'm even considering adding Astorath in the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 dreads will still have the lucius! Do we ? It's gone from the Forge World website and Forge World have yet to release their 8th ed rules. All signs pointing towards a new plastic drop pod for Dreads/Primaris stuff. Launched the same time as the Primaris Dread ? Im inferring this based on the fact that FW said theyd be updating their model's rules line "in time for 8th". A model exists for it (an expensive and popular one too, mind) - so, i dont see it going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Getting a new plastic Dreadpod would be a nice option. I'd still get a Resin one for my Leviathan though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 If i was to choose 1 thing that was really bothering me about this time of change..... it would be having to retool my assault squads that all have 2x melta guns..... Its just really rude ! Silverson, Dont-Be-Haten, vahouth and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Assault squads? You mean Veteran Space Marines with Jump Packs, right? NTaW 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Assault squads? You mean Veteran Space Marines with Jump Packs, right? It's either swapping weapons or swapping helmets. You kinda have to do one. Good job GW, nerf an army that was not that good for two editions and wasn't even problematic in 5th. Chaplain Gunzhard 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mapple Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Ok, when it comes to units like death company, where are we to find the point price for jump packs, or is it included? I can't tell looking at these sheets. Jump packs are included in some entries, like veterans and ancients, and it says it is an option in some command profiles for SM like librarians and captains, but no points for the jump packs for matched play, just increase of power points for narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbird Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) Ok, when it comes to units like death company, where are we to find the point price for jump packs, or is it included? I can't tell looking at these sheets. Jump packs are included in some entries, like veterans and ancients, and it says it is an option in some command profiles for SM like librarians and captains, but no points for the jump packs for matched play, just increase of power points for narrative. It's on the blood angels points value page, lists all units with / without jump packs etc Edited June 1, 2017 by Jbird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 17pts no jp D.C., 20pts with jp. It's listed with all the points for BA specific units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapelXIII Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I was looking at the points. Do sergeants cost the same as regular troops in the squad. I cant find anything about them costing more in matched play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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