d36williams Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) Crimson Fists will be more focused in 8th, Kantor is clearly a boost for CC, and Sternguard get no special benefit. There appear to be no chapter tactics. Out of the 15 or so named characters, 6 are related to Dorn. Drop Pods arrive when you want. Kantor now costs quite a bit more than Lynsander who has probably been the most nerfed. Overall the characters are much cheaper I don't want to link to purloined goods on this messsage board, lets just say you can find the link in various FB groups. Iron Hands get the worst of it, this books is very much based on using named characters to create flavor. There appears to be no Chapter Specific Wargear I've seen, nor chapter tactics. One reason I think CF will double down on CC is because lacking the Chapter Tactics, they will be getting their best benefits in CC. Also Sternguard have no poison rounds, Kantor has no special relationship with Sternguard either. Edited May 31, 2017 by d36williams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334091-reading-leaked-rules/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutlawSixActual Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 These indices are clearly a stopgap measure to get everyone playing, so its understandable that chapter tactics arent in. And thats a good thing. Let the indices serve as a baseline so that GW can adjust of those to create balanced codices, instead of what we had before where the first codex of an edition ends up sucking because ever codex is just based off that first one's trial and error. I am most bummed that my sternguard no longer have special bolters on their combi weapons. I have to seriously considerpopping off their combi meltas now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334091-reading-leaked-rules/#findComment-4765328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak-73 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 GIven the chapter's outstanding contributions to the Deathwatch, I strongly recommend forming Deathwatch detachments, bringing the old ammunition back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334091-reading-leaked-rules/#findComment-4765365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verger Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Sternguard have no poison rounds :-( all my Sternguard are just plain bolters. Looks like I need to remodel them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334091-reading-leaked-rules/#findComment-4767021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizara Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Yet, all combi weapons are no longer fire the bolter or the one shot combi part, but can fire both weapon types each round with a slight penalty to hit. Why would you need special bolter rounds when you can fire both a bolter or a melta/plasma shot each round. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334091-reading-leaked-rules/#findComment-4768612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verger Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Yet, all combi weapons are no longer fire the bolter or the one shot combi part, but can fire both weapon types each round with a slight penalty to hit. Why would you need special bolter rounds when you can fire both a bolter or a melta/plasma shot each round. Because thats how you (I) glued them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334091-reading-leaked-rules/#findComment-4768801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Because that's how Sternguard should work >_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334091-reading-leaked-rules/#findComment-4769053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizara Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 oh my bad, so you built them with just bolters. I see, you were the economic sternguard user, instead of the combi melta spam sternguard user. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334091-reading-leaked-rules/#findComment-4769754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas7 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Special issue boltguns are a nice replacement, not quite SIA but it's something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334091-reading-leaked-rules/#findComment-4774560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leth Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Yeah, hard part is that for 1 extra point the intercessors are pretty good. We have to see how the special weapon loadout benefits them over the intercessors Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334091-reading-leaked-rules/#findComment-4778220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Antonius Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 My sternguard are already modeled to look like Deathwatch members. I guess I can play them as actual Deathwatch now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334091-reading-leaked-rules/#findComment-4781862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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