Toasterfree Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 So I decided to make a list today and given that the 2000 is the new 1850 I wanted to go dumb with it. there are only 48 models in it all together, but the stupid is real. 12 twolves in units of 4 with hammers and shields. bjorn. 3 units of hellblasters. 18 bloodclaws in units of 6. a rune priest and harald. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 That's pretty cheeky sounding. So, to type it out a little bit differently: HQ: - Bjorn the Fell-Handed - Rune Priest - Harald Deathwolf Elites: - (N/A) Troops: - Blood Claws x 6 (Did you add a WGPL to each?) - Blood Claws x 6 - Blood Claws x 6 Fast Attack: - TWC x 4 (TH/SS each) - TWC x 4 (TH/SS each) - TWC x 4 (TH/SS each) Heavy Support: - Hellblasters x 5 - Hellblasters x 5 I know this is a great deal typed out, however, I just want to verify your list in an easier to read and comprehend format. Still, seems pretty good, those TWC are going to really tear enemy units apart if played right on the table. Edit: Moved the Hellblasters, not quite sure of the detachment breakdown between the two. Thanks for the clarification, no snark intended. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4764786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 hellblasters are heavy. and its two detachments. but yes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4764792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 As mentioned in my now edited post, no snark intended, and great list! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4764806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 id have to look for the detachments again. edit: RP and harald with the blood claws in a battalion detachment 3CP bjorn and the TWC in spearhead +1 CP from spearhead +1 CP from bjorn. hellblasters can go in the battalion and spearhead to fit out and be correct total 5CP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4764816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 id have to look for the detachments again. one is a basic CAD (RP and BC) the other is the one that allows all of the FA slots and no troops needed. the helblasters can be in either or both as needed. would be a total of 4 CP if memory serves me correct. Fair enough, we will all need to learn how the new Detachments are made up of units, and how they combine, so, thanks for doing this so soon. I have a force that might be one or two Brigades depending on how the list would come together. So, we shall see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4764818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I suspect Thunder hammers on the TWC aren't going to be great anymore. Only 2 attacks each with them for twenty points. I may equip my pack leaders with them for three TH attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4764904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 damage flat. id say thats pretty good Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4764927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrusherJoe Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Thunder hammers do something special that power fists do not (and for the same cost as power fists). They do straight 3 damage, as opposed to (stupid) d3 damage that a fist does. I'd say they're better than ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4764930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Don't get me wrong. I think thunder hammers are great. I don't think they are great on a two attack model. They'll be better used for Lords and Battle Leaders. What your thoughts on Tempest Hammers vs Thunder Hammers for Iron Priests. Is the 10 points extra worth not having the -1 to hit modifier? I am leaning yes. But if I am writing a list and I need ten points that will probably be the first upgrade to go. Edit: er... my bad. It is only a 5 point difference. And it gains the Helfrost rule. Definitely worth it IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4765251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 they are much better than a power fist, they are way better than a power sword. against vehicles in most cases you are going to wound on 2s. and in a lot of cases they are only going to get a 5+ save. with 3 damage each, even on 2 attacks, that's pretty much 6 damage you are going to get. *4 that's 24 damage. out of 8 attacks, that's 1 maybe 2 saves best case. that's 18 damage to things like knights, WK, riptides etc. that's enough to kill most of those or make them pretty weak. yeah, its worth it. against high wound count things tempest hammer is a no brainer. but against other things is still meh. helfrost is still basically useless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4765836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Those Hammers and Fists will be wounding most vehicles on 3s, not 2s. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4765891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 stupid new chart Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rand Winters Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Also, on page 242 of the Rule Book, Command Points section, opposite the Patrol, Brigade, and Battalion detachments: "All Battle-forged Armies start with 3 Command points." Don't forgot to add those to the CP you get from Bjorn and your detachment benefits! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 oh damn. missed that. so that's what 8? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rand Winters Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Yeah, 8. That's not a bad haul. Can't wait for our codex for some faction specific strategems to use them on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I wonder if Inceptors will be Fast Attack or Flyer slot? That is really the only unit I am interested in using if I play 8th. They seem an extremely solid unit for close support of any of the SW units I would be using. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Inceptors are Fast Attack. Definitely agree, they look really solid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 I didn't think of a unit of them. that's a good idea to add some in, even though I hate the gun shields. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 If you have the right unit next to them an opponent is going to be very hard pressed in deciding who he is going to deal with first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 1, 2017 Author Share Posted June 1, 2017 I mean there were people in my local saying that they could bubble wrap a knight with horde infantry. some of those with all of their shots would free up a lot of room Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I mean there were people in my local saying that they could bubble wrap a knight with horde infantry. some of those with all of their shots would free up a lot of room And if you deep strike a jump pack Rune Priest behind them, he can give them the benefit of cover (effectively meaning a 2+ armor save). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 I mean there were people in my local saying that they could bubble wrap a knight with horde infantry. some of those with all of their shots would free up a lot of room And if you deep strike a jump pack Rune Priest behind them, he can give them the benefit of cover (effectively meaning a 2+ armor save). gives them what, 12 s5 -1 AP shots with a 2+ save? can you put more than 3 in a unit of those? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Any chance in our rules did we see Jump Pack Assault or was that just something I saw in the BA leaks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4766953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 It took several hours last night, but I managed to update my excel document that I use for my army list tracking, and revised every entry to the new 8e data. I've not got 4,775 points worth of painted models entered appropriately, and only had to move a few things around to ensure fully WYSIWYG and data slate compliant models and units. The only one that isn't exactly legal is my double-Plasma pistol 'Gunslinger' Wolf Guard Pack Leader for a unit of Grey Hunters, but I'm pretty sure he'd be okay to use in a casual game if I gave the opponent a heads-up. Now, the biggest challenge is figuring out how I want to use them, and what to leave out, since everything looks to be really viable this edition. I'm going to aim for a Battalion Detachment (and the 6 Command Points) that brings to start with; I can maybe also squeeze in another of the smaller Detachments to grab another Command Point, too. I'm aiming for 2,000 points to start with, which means the majority still has to stay on the shelf. Of course, I'll need to start by narrowing down from the 8 HQ choices that I've got down to 3. The choices will probably get even harder from there. Ugh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334102-first-8th-list/#findComment-4767050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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