8th List, points discussion and considerations.

[Crimson Ghost IX]

I second that.

 

They go together like pie and ice cream for sure.

If you are running DC you should have Lemmy /  Astorath to get even more out of them.

 

Re-roll charge is pretty awesome by itself. Morale buffs etc are chocolate sauce and cherries on top =)

[Calistarius]

Agreed. It's a massive points sink, but I don't play many tournaments. I'll be using them together or not at all, personally.

[Sawtooth]

I'd like opinions on running Assault Termies in a Stormraven, possibly with a Dread of some variety along for the ride. Last edition I would never consider this and be terrified to stick so many points in a Stormraven, I'm curious how everyone feels about the idea in this edition, and assault termies in general.

[ThatOneMarshal]

Well I finally got mine assembled so I'm somewhat curious as well when it comes to the stormraven.

 

Everyone knows the old joke that it's a flying land raider but I think it looks to be true the more that I look at it. I'm not a 100% convinced that it is survivable considering that it can't get cover very easily. The -1 is brutal against Orks and the like but means squat when it comes to high BS armies.

 

It's chief role is as a gunship i believe. When it comes to loadouts the hurricane bolsters look like a no brainer considering their cost. I think the multi melta is still the best however the missle launcher is looking good. Not so sure what do about the top weapon however.

[Crimson Ghost IX]

I think the stormraven is sooo good. I dislike the model but am picking one up for 8th where I have always skipped it before. I will do work. *nod.

 

Be sure you can stomach the destroyed result if you don't get your guys out but it synergizes really well with our magnagrapnels for a DC Dread etc in a world mostly without drop pods.

 

I haven't had one on the table but it looks good in the index and plays real well in the batle reports I have seen.

It's highly rated by Frankie and Reece if that rates with you. Hence the sooo good.

 

Assault termies are really good also but slow so pick your fight because thats mostly where you will be.

They teleport already however so I would put something else in that transport at first glance, but it likely won't suck if that is what you wanna do.

I faced some regular termie tonight and they are resilient in 8th with out the stormshield.

Hammers are the boss. As they should be in a game called Warhammer.

 

Setting up on the table rather than having to reserve with the stormraven makes a big difference if terrain is up to snuff for 8th ed games etc.

Edited June 17, 2017 by Crimson Ghost IX

[Thoridon]

I have some foot Bolter DC I built for 7th, where relentless rapid fire and charge was a nice. Now everyone can do that I need to find a use for them! I'm thinking I'll make sure they all have a Chainsword or Power Weapon stuck to the model and have them hopping out of a Stormraven with Corbulo. The extra attacks of DC on the charge would give a higher chance of rolling 6s to trigger his grail, and as Corbulo is on foot himself he needs a foot unit to tag along with anyway. As his weapon is mid-strength and 1D they should fit well and make a nice unit to go after T3/T4 targets, while more specialised units take on the tough targets.

 

I'm just not sure about the Stormraven. On the one hand I could fit that unit of 6 in a Razorback and be done. On the other hand I could use a Stormraven to drop them off, a Dread, a second unit of 6 on foot and then have it keep flying round providing air support. Something for larger games perhaps...

[durdle-durdle]

I think bolter death co are still good. Trade your pistol for the bolter, keep the sword. Spray down something at 12-24" then charge something closer. Prophet.

[Thoridon]

That's the idea. Rapid fire bolters followed by a Power Sword charge will be painful, now you don't need the pistol for the extra attack. I just need to attach some power swords, as they weren't on before.

[Karhedron]

I'm not a 100% convinced that it is survivable considering that it can't get cover very easily. The -1 is brutal against Orks and the like but means squat when it comes to high BS armies.

My hunch is that the Storm Raven will be tough enough. Remember that you don't have to drop into Hover mode now to disembark the guys inside. They can bail out quite safely while it is still getting the -1 to hit. If you are really concerned then having a librarian cast Shield of Sanguinius on it will help.

 

Bear in mind that you can have 2-3 strong CC units inside the Raven and once they get out and start hitting things, the volume of incoming fire is likely to drop off significantly. I am really tempted to try a Raven with Mephiston, a Company Vet squad (to act as ablative wounds) and a Dread (not sure if DC or Fragioso at the moment). Its a lot of points but it should hit like a ton of bricks. Mephiston in particular is a real beatstick. His only problems are delivery (which the SR takes care of) and lack of invulnerable save (which the Company Vets effectively handle).

[Crimson Ghost IX]

 

I'm not a 100% convinced that it is survivable considering that it can't get cover very easily. The -1 is brutal against Orks and the like but means squat when it comes to high BS armies.

My hunch is that the Storm Raven will be tough enough. Remember that you don't have to drop into Hover mode now to disembark the guys inside. They can bail out quite safely while it is still getting the -1 to hit. If you are really concerned then having a librarian cast Shield of Sanguinius on it will help.

 

Bear in mind that you can have 2-3 strong CC units inside the Raven and once they get out and start hitting things, the volume of incoming fire is likely to drop off significantly. I am really tempted to try a Raven with Mephiston, a Company Vet squad (to act as ablative wounds) and a Dread (not sure if DC or Fragioso at the moment). Its a lot of points but it should hit like a ton of bricks. Mephiston in particular is a real beatstick. His only problems are delivery (which the SR takes care of) and lack of invulnerable save (which the Company Vets effectively handle).

 

I think that Mephiston idea has merit for certain *nod.