8th edition centurions overcoated.

[irwit]

Hi all. After building my lascannon centurions I'm now realising I'd probably be better off and saving a few points running twin lascannon Razorbacks. Miles more wounds, higher strength and less the same points as a single cell turion with twin lascannon. I feel this is a shame as we are just in the same issue as previous editions with costs not matching efficiency.

[NovemberIX]

I'd say Razorbacks and Centurions have different functions, you can drop pod Storm Raven centurions where you need them, you can't do that with a razorback, then there's the issue of cover, there are places a centurion can fit that a razorback can't, and there's also the nature of having secondary weapons which widen the range of targets you can shoot at.

 

(Also, the Omniscope doesn't allow enemy models cover saves)

 

Edit: Correction to information, +omniscope info

[Race Bannon]

Also, are not the Lascannons on Centurions Twin-Linked?

 

I'm thinking your Centurions are still good to go ^_^

[Silentz]

I'd say Razorbacks and Centurions have different functions, you can drop pod centurions where you need them, you can't do that with a razorback, then there's the issue of cover, there are places a centurion can fit that a razorback can't, and there's also the nature of having secondary weapons which widen the range of targets you can shoot at.

 

False in 8th, I'm afraid.

 

From Drop Pod rules

This model can transport 10 <CHAPTER> INFANTRY models.  It cannot transport JUMP PACK, TERMINATOR, PRIMARIS or CENTURION models.

[MajorNese]

Thinking of how to arm the box over here. The lascannon version is really expensive, but split fire might make it viable. Two dakkacents, one with lascannons, that would limit the cost while keeping the one valuable model alive. Still around 300p, which isn't really effective. Or leave out the missiles, and 3x lascannon/hurricane clocks in at 357p. At least one thing cents do better than a razorback is ignoring cover.

 

I'd say Razorbacks and Centurions have different functions, you can drop pod centurions where you need them, you can't do that with a razorback, then there's the issue of cover, there are places a centurion can fit that a razorback can't, and there's also the nature of having secondary weapons which widen the range of targets you can shoot at.

Drop pods can't transport Centurions any more. Nor terminators, primaris or jump. It's land raiders or walking.

[NovemberIX]

Hmm, I guess I should go read the rest of the leaks, I was just waiting for the books to release. Rest of the points still stand though. They're just not as mobile now (which is annoying but what ya gonna do?)

[Machine God]

Great Drop Pods got seriously nerfed!

[ronin_cse]

Thinking of how to arm the box over here. The lascannon version is really expensive, but split fire might make it viable. Two dakkacents, one with lascannons, that would limit the cost while keeping the one valuable model alive. Still around 300p, which isn't really effective. Or leave out the missiles, and 3x lascannon/hurricane clocks in at 357p. At least one thing cents do better than a razorback is ignoring cover.

 

I'd say Razorbacks and Centurions have different functions, you can drop pod centurions where you need them, you can't do that with a razorback, then there's the issue of cover, there are places a centurion can fit that a razorback can't, and there's also the nature of having secondary weapons which widen the range of targets you can shoot at.

Drop pods can't transport Centurions any more. Nor terminators, primaris or jump. It's land raiders or walking.

 

Or a Stormraven

[Lysere]

Remember centurions can be healed by an apothecary. Over the course of a game that can add up quite well.

[Sugarlessllama]

The Razorback has one twin-linked lascannon. But the Centurions have up to three twin-linked lascannons, AND they have either missiles or hurricane bolters. There is also a difference in their saves. A Razorback has a save of 3+, while a Centurion still has a 2+. That is nothing to sniff at in the new edition it looks like.

[BitsHammer]

The Razorback has one twin-linked lascannon. But the Centurions have up to three twin-linked lascannons, AND they have either missiles or hurricane bolters. There is also a difference in their saves. A Razorback has a save of 3+, while a Centurion still has a 2+. That is nothing to sniff at in the new edition it looks like.

You also have split fire on EVERYTHING. To include each of the Centurion's weapons. Missiles/Bolters shoot one target, Lascannons shoot another (or two....or three).

[NovemberIX]

The Omniscope also seems to stop enemy models from being able to take cover saves.

[Race Bannon]

Man, I'm gonna HB up these guys.

 

I'm a bullet farmer in 8th edition!

[Gothical]

I think the Centurions look solid. A Razorback may be a smidgen cheaper, faster and have more wounds, but the Centurions have a better armour save, have an easier time claiming cover (1+ Saves are possible, seriously hampers high-AP weapons) and pack a very potent secondary weapon system

 

I am seriously considering Heavy Bolter & Hurricane Bolter as a unit set-up, because that is a wall of firepower that gets more potent as the enemy closes to tie them up in melee. Lascannons and Missile Launchers are available everywhere, and I'm not sure I am a fan of the Centurion Grav-Cannon look.

 

Missiles are still valuable as they are Assault, meaning the Centurions can move a total of 4+D6" and still get some use out of their weaponry, but it is so hard to turn down 18-36 Bolter shots.

[Ishagu]

Grav and Hurricane Bolters are the best loadout, simply because the other weapons are now too expensive imo.

[grouj]

How does the assault Centurion stack up in this edition do y'all reckon?

[Ishagu]

I think they're great but they require transport and the costs add up!

[leth]

With split fire there is no reason to kit out all the centurions the same.  I would make one lascannon/missile and the others heavy/hurricane.

 

Also remember it is two lascannons, not a twin lascannon so you can fire them at different targets. 

[Silas7]

Man, I'm gonna HB up these guys.

 

I'm a bullet farmer in 8th edition!

 

<insert lead farmer Gif>

 

:P

[leth]

Lol, I just bought like 8 cent arms worth of bits so I can magnetize the 6 I have up.  Gonna potentially run CC ones!!

[Smith Kappa]

I'd say Razorbacks and Centurions have different functions, you can drop pod Storm Raven centurions where you need them, you can't do that with a razorback, then there's the issue of cover, there are places a centurion can fit that a razorback can't, and there's also the nature of having secondary weapons which widen the range of targets you can shoot at.

 

(Also, the Omniscope doesn't allow enemy models cover saves)

 

Edit: Correction to information, +omniscope info

 

Just quoting the 1st reply here. To counter argue your points given I find it hard to believe someone would put their Centurion Devastators inside a Storm Raven, simply because lascannons have great range and our man here wanted to equip them with such. Now with the Storm Raven hopefully out of the argument I can move on to cover, yes their is the plus side of having cover, with a 4" move I recon centurions will most likely be camping a building or aegis defence line giving that extra addition to your saves. Now moving on to the negatives;

• Am I correct in saying that a single centurion with lascannons will cost more than a razorback?
• A razorback can also transport a portion of troops
• A razorback has more wounds but no doubt a worse save, this minor advantage is probably nullified by the razor back having a higher toughness or armour value, what ever the hell it is now... you get the point
• A razorback is able to move further
• The razorback can also take a storm boltor and possibly a rocket launcher in this edition, yes Centurions also have secondary weapons
• A razorback can also assault now instead of ramming

Taking all these points into consideration, being able to sit behind cover in my opinion is hardly a good trade off for all the upsides to having a razorback in this current edition, especially if they can be taken as dedicated transports. If the razorback cant be taken has a dedicated transport and instead has moved to the heavy support choice then it might be worth getting more guns on the field by using centurions instead. Wargames aren't meant to be balanced if they were it would be completely up to the luck of the dice and little room for strategy. 8th Edition isn't balanced and neither are any of the other editions, however why do drop pods have melee attacks...? I'm considering missing this edition out from what I know so far.

[AndrewChristlieb]

Drop pods have 0 attacks.

[Smith Kappa]

Drop pods have 0 attacks.

 alright cool that's good then, I swear a few well known youtubers said they did. Still 8th is unorthodox, its become more like AoS in some aspects and it nerfed my army to hugely so I have to flip off the new edition which is something I have never done before for a new edition

[Gothical]

Drop pods have 0 attacks.

Aww, there goes my plan for "Flappy"

[Brother Sgt Kartr]

Spent several hours looking at the store copy of Index: Imperium 1 today.

Centurion D 65 points +

Hurricane Bolter 4 points +

2x lascannon 25 points each

T5 2+ Omniscope and either 2 or 3 wounds 4" move

 

Razorback 65 points +

Twin lascannon 50 points,

T7, 10-11 wounds, 3+ save, 12" move, carries 6 infantry, doesn't take up a heavy support slot.

 

On paper the Razorback is better, pure and simple. Take these for your infantry choices and you get the same fire power on a more survivable platform. Toughness+ Wounds trumps Saves when Mortal Wounds are a thing.