2000 pts Matched equivalent in Narrative pts?

[Kastor Krieg]

Basically in the thread title - what's the more or less equivalent value of 2000 "normal" points in "rough" Narrative pts? 200? 300? Else?

[Eddie Orlock]

I've been lead to the understanding that it's roughly 10:1 with some vaguraries in the rounding.

 

Also, since this isn't exactly official rules not only by dint of this being pre-release material, but also by being more of an army construction question let's kick this up to Amicus?

[the jeske]

there is no easy transition. there is a difference between 10 devs with 4 hvy bolters and same 10 devs with Grav cannons in normal games, while there is non in narrative. Chad marines transit well and anything that doesn't have weapon/unit options[like lets say a unit of plague bearers or the new zombis], on the other hand something like a GK army will look different in narrative and normal games.

[Kastor Krieg]

Well, it's weird, really. Infantry seems to be different than vehicles. 17 for LRC, for example, about 1/20th.

[Commander Dawnstar]

I've been lead to the understanding that it's roughly 10:1 with some vaguraries in the rounding.

 

It only takes a cursory glance at the points-to-power ratios of units to see that isn't even close to true. An Intercessor Squad is 6 Power for 100 points of models; a Knight-Gallant is 21 Power for a 389 point model; you get 34 points of Death Cult Assassins for every point of Power you spend on them.

 

I'd be more inclined to say it's typically somewhere between 15-20 points to each point of Power, although there are all kinds of exceptions and bits of general weirdness throughout. I just ran the numbers on this 3k Sisters list that I'd been looking at earlier today and it comes in at 149 Power for just under 3,000 points, so that seems to be within the sort of approximate figure I've put forward. I doubt all lists will conform to the ratio so nicely but it's a decent example of how it can work.

[Eddie Orlock]

Well, it's weird, really. Infantry seems to be different than vehicles. 17 for LRC, for example, about 1/20th.

I stand somewhat corrected, and it'll learn me for relying on unexamined ratios reported from dubious sources.

 

Does your ratio for the LRC include typical armaments?

 

Is there a particular project you're considering with a specific use for knowing the ratios between the two separate, and presumably largely incompatible, balancing mechanics?

[Claws and Effect]

It seems like it would be useful tp know roughly how many Power Points your Matched Play built army equals.

 

That way you can play people who built theirs either way without having to reconstruct your army. Say, in scenarios where you go to the local game spot without a specific opponent in mind.

[Kastor Krieg]

It seems like it would be useful tp know roughly how many Power Points your Matched Play built army equals.

 

That way you can play people who built theirs either way without having to reconstruct your army. Say, in scenarios where you go to the local game spot without a specific opponent in mind.

Yeah, exactly this. Not a project, just useful for pickup games to estimate the army size well and not end up with a small and short or too long and boring battle. If regular battle is supposed to be 2000 pts. I wonder if there is a "regular" Narrative size. And being able to adjust my rough sketch army to the guy's army size when he did a Matched one is a bonus, too.

[Vanger]

I'd say depending upon your army of choice 2000 pts, equal anywhere between 100 - 150 PL. My instinct tells me that fun and somewhat ballanced games will be around the 100 mark.

 

Just to give you a feel.

 

The Dark Imperium box gives you 969 pts worth of Primaris Marines, which is 51 PL. That's 22 models. Double that up and you have almost a 2000 pts / 100+ PL army of 40+ models and you can have a Battalion Detachment for 3 Command Points.

 

For 1770 pts / 110 PL I can fill out a Brigade detachment for 9 Command Points, with 3 Chaos Lords, 3x5 Chosen, 6x5 CSM, 3x5 raptors, 3x5 havocs. That's 78 models. Around the same mobility, but decidedly more firepower and more CC potential if you take upgrades (and why would you not?)

[Kastor Krieg]

So, in general, my estimate of 1/20th was pretty much on the mark?

[Vanger]

So, in general, my estimate of 1/20th was pretty much on the mark?

Yes, so it seems :)

[Valerian]

Jervis and Robin explained the other day that they took the median value between the cheapest a unit would be and the most expensive a unit could be when give all upgrades.  Then they'd take that median value and use some fraction to figure out the power level.  I think it would be around 1/20.

[Kastor Krieg]

Jervis and Robin explained the other day that they took the median value between the cheapest a unit would be and the most expensive a unit could be when give all upgrades.  Then they'd take that median value and use some fraction to figure out the power level.  I think it would be around 1/20.

That's a good way to estimate, neat.

[totgeboren]

Only played one game, we ran it at 75 pts, wysiwyg. Afterwards we checked how much stuff was worth in normal points. My ork army was 1335 pts, and the enemy nid army was 1229 pts.

So in that case it was a ratio of between 16.4 and 17.8...