Emperor's Furor Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I've been wondering what chapter to do when the Primaris get here and I've been to and fro between deciding on Marines Errant or the Astral Knights, but I've realised should I even bring the Astral Knights back? There's a slither of a chance some of them are still alive since there were 30 or so on the homeworld when the rest of the chapter gave their lives against the World Engine. So I know I could bring them back but the question is whether I should? This goes for other chapters that have been wiped out as well, should we leave them to history or do you think it's ok to revive them under the Ultima Founding? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewChristlieb Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Absolutely bring them back. These are prime canidates for the Primaris treatment, many of them having a severe need for more bodies and new equipment but enough experienced members to pass on the traditions and teachings of the chapter to this new generation. Some are not quite as bad off as the Astral Knights of course, but even my Celestial Lions are down around those numbers or lower after Armageddon and yet they're rebuilding. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4769989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I think, of all the reasons to make a primaris Chapter, resurrecting a dead Chapter is at least a lore-supported one. Let's face it, the Astral Knights are a dead entity, even if there are surviving members of the old Chapter still in existence. There's also the small matter of it being your models/head-canon. If you want to do it, then who should stop you? I'd say go for it. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4770001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Scythes of the Emperor are one right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4770008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Scythes of the Emperor are one right? Well... no. They are critically under-manned but they're attempting to rebuild. I recall them ditching the codex since they'd lost so much manpower, but taking the fight to the Tyranids all the same. If any Chapter deserved reinforcements, it'd be them. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4770026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I've always liked the Astral Knights specifically because of their notable sacrifice. It does feel like bringing them back would lessen that, what with the whole "permanent honor guard standing at their memorial site". But I think if the revived Astral Knights are pure Primaris, and they sort of revere and are in awe of their predecessors, and constantly try to live up to their legacy, it could really work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4770060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Antipodes Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Chapters like the Astral Knights or Black Consuls should only return as all Primaris only and portrayed as being named in honour of those who gave all for the Imperium. Not to say they couldn't round up whatever survivors still exist to instill proper Chapter doctrine but a lot of them wouldn't have that luxury. It's ironic that that 2nd Founding DA Chapter (Sable Sons?) wouldn't get this treatment since the DA covered up their existence when they fell so they aren't in imperial records any more. Considering it has been reported that about half of all current Chapters are unaccounted for after the rift formed, there will be a lot in need of Primaris reforming. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4770095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Celestial lions as RG watch dog on the inqusition would be friggin' hilarious Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4771468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Vulkus Dorn Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I've seen a pic of the Scythes pauldron in the new stuff so I'm fairly sure they're getting Primaris support Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4771989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Antipodes Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Would that be the Emperor's Scythes, the Scythes of the Emperor or the Red Sctyhes? lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4774605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Celestial lions as RG watch dog on the inqusition would be friggin' hilarious Chapters like the Astral Knights or Black Consuls should only return as all Primaris only and portrayed as being named in honour of those who gave all for the Imperium. Not to say they couldn't round up whatever survivors still exist to instill proper Chapter doctrine but a lot of them wouldn't have that luxury. It's ironic that that 2nd Founding DA Chapter (Sable Sons?) wouldn't get this treatment since the DA covered up their existence when they fell so they aren't in imperial records any more. You are thinking of Lions Sable [ http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Lions_Sable ] and the more ironic reason is that it won't also happen because Cypher is now buddy-buddy with Rob. Wonder how THAT affects the perception of Primaris among the DA! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4774755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Isn't there some fluff from Dark Imperium that Cawl has been playing around with the II and XI geneseed (as well as those Chapters which turned to Chaos)? ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4774773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Yeah, Dark Imperium novel says Cawl reports that he's been using all geneseeds and the traitor and missing legions are viable for use, but Guilliman flat out refuses to authorize their release. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4774776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Celestial lions as RG watch dog on the inqusition would be friggin' hilarious Chapters like the Astral Knights or Black Consuls should only return as all Primaris only and portrayed as being named in honour of those who gave all for the Imperium. Not to say they couldn't round up whatever survivors still exist to instill proper Chapter doctrine but a lot of them wouldn't have that luxury. It's ironic that that 2nd Founding DA Chapter (Sable Sons?) wouldn't get this treatment since the DA covered up their existence when they fell so they aren't in imperial records any more. You are thinking of Lions Sable [ http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Lions_Sable ] and the more ironic reason is that it won't also happen because Cypher is now buddy-buddy with Rob. Wonder how THAT affects the perception of Primaris among the DA! im talking about the celestial lions, who in inquisition sent snipers in to kill there apothecaries during an ork assualt. =P http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Celestial_Lions they are a chapter I may make into primaris. as they are honorable sons of Dorn. Their unremembered wrath shall lay siege to the inquistion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4775067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I know too well about Celestial Lions, I was referring to Antipodes' mention of a 2nd founding DA successor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4775542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickSix Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I don't like it. It dilutes these dead chapters' sacrifice. And what are Primaris Newbs going to know of the lineage, traditions and grudges of say the Fire Hawks? Nothing. Make new chapters but leave the dead alone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4775922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epimetheus13 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Do we yet know which Chapters have been officially destroyed or have officially been lost contact with? Is there any official canon update on the Astartes Praeses, the 18-20 Chapters who were guarding the Eye of Terror? Did The Gathering Storm/Fall of Cadia make any mention of any of them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4781051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Make new chapters but leave the dead alone. Even in death, I still serve. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4781087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Antipodes Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Do we yet know which Chapters have been officially destroyed or have officially been lost contact with? Is there any official canon update on the Astartes Praeses, the 18-20 Chapters who were guarding the Eye of Terror? Did The Gathering Storm/Fall of Cadia make any mention of any of them? The have kept it all vague so far. We may get to know more when the 8th rule book hits the streets this weekend, but I reckon we won't get anything in depth until the push out the new codexes/supplements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334252-discussion-on-whether-to-bring-back-destroyed-chapters/#findComment-4781199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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