Drider Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 yeah, they also can't fire if the fall back unless they have the fly rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4789426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Question for this forum: After 20 games of 8th (I need a life), I am creating my new Order. However, I have had amazing success with my plasma boys as well. Combined with some unique models, and I was wondering if this forum accepted Orders that are highly unorthodox (due to lore and the demands of decades, they are a mix of Sisters, Tempestus, and Marines)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4789984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJAK Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Interestingly, Flamer overwatch can be circumvented by charging at least 9" away (outside the flamer range) and praying huahuahua  Vehicles can overwatch now too, yes? Yeah, the vehicle can overwatch, the guys inside can't. Also, outranging the charge is why the immolation flamer is SOOOO much better than just 2 flamers.  I think Drider took care of the whole 'repressor overwatch' thing pretty well but for Noeh, 'firing ports' is a special rule the thing has, there's no such thing as firing points anymore so it doesn't automatically just work like it did when they did exist and Brightstar permission by omission only accounts for overwatch if the unit inside is being declared as a charge target, since there aren't any rules that deal with a unit firing while in a transport except the special rule on the datasheet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4790053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Combined with some unique models, and I was wondering if this forum accepted Orders that are highly unorthodox (due to lore and the demands of decades, they are a mix of Sisters, Tempestus, and Marines)? Â It has happened - the Vinculus crusade for instance was a combined force of sisters, templars, and inquisitorial assets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4790097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeh Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Question for this forum: After 20 games of 8th (I need a life), I am creating my new Order. However, I have had amazing success with my plasma boys as well. Combined with some unique models, and I was wondering if this forum accepted Orders that are highly unorthodox (due to lore and the demands of decades, they are a mix of Sisters, Tempestus, and Marines)? Â My order is a bunch of misfit abandoned imperial defence force women that took over a planetary system...So um..have at it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4790375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Well, you could have your army represent an Order that works closely with marines, say, during a Crusade, but an Order would never actually contain anyone besides Sisters, if you're following the codex fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4790451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share Posted June 20, 2017 Well, you could have your army represent an Order that works closely with marines, say, during a Crusade, but an Order would never actually contain anyone besides Sisters, if you're following the codex fluff. This. Â Your army can be made up how you like. My Oder regularly fights alongside a Black Templar Crusade, for example. However, your Order can only include women. Not even priests are members of an Order. Â I mean, I guess it *can* include men. Just at some point expect one of our Orders to turn up to purge the heresy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4790509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 However, if your army is a branch of the Inquisition Ordo Hereticus, then it would include Storm troopers working with SoB. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4790535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Gaea Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Query, if people are finding stormbolters to be very useful, would it make sense to fill a Dominion squad or 2 with stormbolters and use them , with an Immolator, to thin out armies and have the Seraphim go tank and big enemy hunting with inferno pistols? Â Also, has anyone tried the Basic Sisters? would 3 storm bolters at minimum squad size to hold objectives work? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4790537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share Posted June 20, 2017 Also, has anyone tried the Basic Sisters? would 3 storm bolters at minimum squad size to hold objectives work? I'm looking to try: Heavy bolter, storm bolter x2, bolter x2 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4790611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Dawnstar Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I've made two of those units for that sort of job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4790724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Gaea Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I've made two of those units for that sort of job. Did you add a vehicle or are they walking? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4790741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Dawnstar Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 They're just footslogging. I'm experimenting with a Battalion Detachment so it made sense to have some fairly cheap Troops that could make their way up the field while still putting out a fairly respectable amount of fire. It certainly might be worth considering sticking them both in a single Rhino in the future if things don't work out so well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4790777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I think adding a couple more ablative wounds might be worthwhile, but then you won't fit two squads in a Rhino if necessary. On the other hand I suppose it depends on how mobile the rest of your army is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4791414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Still laughing every time I hear someone mention their army's hand flamers are only d3 shots :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4791730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I think we got d6 because we used to have shred. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4791793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 I think we got d6 because we used to have shred. I'm apprehensive that it might be a mistake! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4791839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montford Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Do not take counsel of your fears Daimhin. Go forth with faith in the Emperor that our hand flamers are better! Jacinda 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4791915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Weapons vary by army. Â Guard pays less for almost everything. Sisters have more expensive storm bolters, but better hand flamers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4792028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Weapons vary by army. Â Guard pays less for almost everything. Sisters have more expensive storm bolters, but better hand flamers. Â Depends which book you buy the storm bolters from... May see some changes going forwards. Actually it would be nice to see the strength-based pricing policy for x2 strength melee weapons applied to the sisters and inquisition. Â With hand flamers i'd find it hard to see their value at only d3 shots, at the given cost. It's not a lot of return on the points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4792191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Â Â Weapons vary by army. Â Guard pays less for almost everything. Sisters have more expensive storm bolters, but better hand flamers. Depends which book you buy the storm bolters from... May see some changes going forwards. Actually it would be nice to see the strength-based pricing policy for x2 strength melee weapons applied to the sisters and inquisition. Â With hand flamers i'd find it hard to see their value at only d3 shots, at the given cost. It's not a lot of return on the points. Forgeworld has never had the most consistent point costs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4792195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedibear Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Blood Angel hand flamers are d3 shots :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4792581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen.Steiner Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I think that people have asked GW on Facebook if the Sororitas hand flamers should have 1d6 hits rather than 1d3, possibly because they want to spoil our fun :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4792680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Alessia Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I'm only playing 500 points Sir Gaea, so im playing on a smaller table. But so far I have been running 2 squads 5xdoms with 5 storm bolters on foot. The extra move makes up for lack of transport and they put out alot of fire. I'm trying 8xBss in a rhinio, with 3 Stormbolters next time i play, just to see the difference. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4792888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I'm trying 8xBss in a rhinio, with 3 Stormbolters next time i play, just to see the difference. Â If you have the rules it'd be interesting to see how the full repressor works in that scenario in place of the rhino. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334318-tactics-and-musings-for-8th-edition/page/10/#findComment-4792892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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