Karack Blackstone Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Hello all, yet another premature thread by Karack, the occasional great idea too early person! So, without further ado, Grey Hunters: - How many, in total? - WGPL, and if so, what kit? - What Special Ranged Weapon(s) do you favor? - One Melta, one Plasma, one Flamer pack seems to be normal from 7th; has this changed in your eyes in 8th? All two SRW's per pack listed. Blood Claws: - How many? - WGPL seems a wise choice, considering the headlong charge into the nearest enemy problem that I think is still in the pack's rules - Any special ranged weapons? If so, which? Though expensive, a WP in PA with a 15 strong BC pack with 14 BC's, one of which is a BCPL, and a WGPL kitted to taste thrown into a LRC might be way more expensive these days. Is a cheaper alternative a Rhino with 8 BC's, one of which is a BCPL, a WGPL, and a WP a more useful alternative in around 2,000 point games? Again, likely all premature, still, I seem to like thought provoking threads, and this sure is one of them; so much so, it's premature even! Anyway, in all seriousness, what do each of you assess to be the "best" for your forces looking forward loadouts? Also, given SW's can take both a <u>PL and a WGPL, this is going to really hurt with a PSword and a PFist in the same unit, nevermind the sheer weight of chainsword attacks... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraithwing Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I always field strong packs of Grey Hunters. Currently in my army I have two packs of 10 Grey Hunters. One with Meltas and a Combi Melta with Power Fist, and one with Plasmas and Plasma Pistols. I'll still field these, but with an extra Power Fist in the Melta pack on the GHPL, and I'm thinking of building a new WGPL for the Plasma pack with a combi Plasma. Will also probably take power axes/swords in this pack also. In 7th, they were both in Drop Pods. Now they will be in Rhinos. Blood Claws, I'm fielding 15 with a BCPL with Power Axe and 2x Flamers. Accompanied by a Wolf Priest in Power Armour in a Land Raider Crusader. I might add a WGPL if points allow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4777057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I was looking over the index today and specifically checking out the weapon costs. In main marine index it says Chainswords are 0 points. Am I reading that right? If so it'll be cheaper to build GH as we used to know them than they were last edition. I think even with the increased weapon costs we could still tool out our GHs for an acceptable amount of points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4777123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Yep, it basically means there is no reason why we should NOT take chainswords if they are free. I rejoiced because all my bolter and chainsword Grey Hunters can now come out of the closet and be dusted off. Question though: if the WGPL is in terminator armour, which has a different armour save, how are the armour save resolved in 8th edition? In the past we could place the 2+ armour character in front to tank AP3 shots. In the case of 8th, which seems to have done away with the "closest model in line of fire" mentality, can we still place the WGPL in front to tank big small rounds fire? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4777227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantinel Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Question though: if the WGPL is in terminator armour, which has a different armour save, how are the armour save resolved in 8th edition? In the past we could place the 2+ armour character in front to tank AP3 shots. In the case of 8th, which seems to have done away with the "closest model in line of fire" mentality, can we still place the WGPL in front to tank big small rounds fire? You can place him anywhere you like and assign wounds to him as you please. Only caveat is that you will need to take the wounds 1 by 1, or when he fails more than 1, assume all models with worse armor save failed as well and remove any model you like again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4777612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORKILL Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 10 man with all the plasma you can handle. Plasma is the special weapon of 8th ed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4777616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Question though: if the WGPL is in terminator armour, which has a different armour save, how are the armour save resolved in 8th edition? In the past we could place the 2+ armour character in front to tank AP3 shots. In the case of 8th, which seems to have done away with the "closest model in line of fire" mentality, can we still place the WGPL in front to tank big small rounds fire? You can place him anywhere you like and assign wounds to him as you please. Only caveat is that you will need to take the wounds 1 by 1, or when he fails more than 1, assume all models with worse armor save failed as well and remove any model you like again. Mantinel is correct. The owning player gets to assign wounding hits, so you can take that save on the 2+ Terminator as much as you want, but once he's failed a save and taken a wound, you are then forced to assign wounding hits to him. Probably better to assign hits to the guys with no upgrades first, to preserve all of your upgrade investments. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4777879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exark Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 10 man with all the plasma you can handle. Plasma is the special weapon of 8th ed. This, so much this. Also, thoughts on running grey tide? I've been toying with the idea of Lukas, Ragnar and either an RP or WGBL or WP for the better LD, on foot surrounded by three max blobs of BCs with dual plasma and both pack leaders with swords Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4779049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Footslogging armies are going to have a tough time unless they've got very high Movement characteristics. Almost all of the Eternal War and Maelstrom of War missions require you to get to, and secure, objectives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4779478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I always field strong packs of Grey Hunters. Currently in my army I have two packs of 10 Grey Hunters. One with Meltas and a Combi Melta with Power Fist, and one with Plasmas and Plasma Pistols. I'll still field these, but with an extra Power Fist in the Melta pack on the GHPL, and I'm thinking of building a new WGPL for the Plasma pack with a combi Plasma. Will also probably take power axes/swords in this pack also. In 7th, they were both in Drop Pods. Now they will be in Rhinos. Blood Claws, I'm fielding 15 with a BCPL with Power Axe and 2x Flamers. Accompanied by a Wolf Priest in Power Armour in a Land Raider Crusader. I might add a WGPL if points allow. Would a Wolf Priest be even worth it? Its a pretty massive point sink and they no longer provide a FNP. Sure the reroll to hit is nice, and 9 leadership, but its a massive point sink for just 1 more leadership than a WGPL that is better equipped. That healing balm rule now heals a target, so i am thinking that maybe a wolf priest termie in a termie pack is better... Kinda looking at lucas as he would make a blood claw a 2+/3+ to hit and would be awesome to challenge people with as he forces a -1 to hit and his last laugh. Trick would to keep your BC outside of 3" but within 6"... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4780034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hljodir Duskwalker Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 what do you guys think about a squad of 5man wolfguard equiped with jumppack, stormshield, chainsword, and combiplasma each. thats 205 pts for the unit. gives them fly, 3++, fire power, and an extra attack on cc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4780540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 what do you guys think about a squad of 5man wolfguard equiped with jumppack, stormshield, chainsword, and combiplasma each. thats 205 pts for the unit. gives them fly, 3++, fire power, and an extra attack on cc. That's a decent unit. And good sturdiness too. Drop them into cover if you can. @Caldersson. I have really enjoyed using my Wolf Priests this edition. One on a bike with TWC- where the rerolls and D3 wounds back can go a long way. The other on foot with claws in a rhino. I am usually of the thought to bring more boys vs expensive toys but the Wolf Priest seems good. Lukas seems good but tricky... You're going to have a difficult time keeping him 3" away from your own guys in a scrum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4780600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Bjorn is simply nuts currently. Give him a heavy plasma cannon, and march him down field. Add a rune priest for cover, an iron priest for repairs, and he can tank SO much your foes will quit the field in disgust. Flank him with an honor guard of WG on bikes, and you might not even need him to tank at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4780849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 What do we think of the plasma cannon vs frost cannon on Bjorn? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4780936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Considering Bjorn is the ONLY model that can use the heavy plasma cannon (that I found), and it only does 1 mortal wound on a double 1 instead of the model being slain, and I think it is the only real choice for Bjorn. Just have an iron priest handy to repair him as needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334484-premature-thread-of-theorycrafting-troops-and-their-kit/#findComment-4780997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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