What happened to the Rhino?

[micahwc]

Rhino, toughness 7, 10 wounds. 3+ save

 

Meltagun, strength 8, AP -4, D6 damage

 

BS 4+

 

8 meltaguns shoot, 4 hit.

4 hits, 2.64 wounds.

0 saves

Average 3.5 damage per unsaved wound

 

 

Average damage = 9.24 wounds.

 

On average, you  need 9 meltagun shots outside melta range to kill a rhino.

 

 

Lascannons, ST 9, D6 damage, -3ap

8 shots, 4 hits, 2.64 wounds, 6+ armor save allows 2.244 wounds

 

7.854 damage, you need about 10 Lascannons to kill 1 rhino per turn.

 

Supercharge rapid-fire plasma at BS3+

Supercharged Plasma, ST8, -3AP, 2 damage

 

16 shots, 10.56 hits, 6.96 wounds, 5.92 wounds after armor saves, 11.8 damage. You need 15 supercharged plasma shots at BS3+ to kill 1 rhino per turn. One of your guys died from overheating.

[Race Bannon]

So ...

 

Rhino = :tu:

 

?

[Karack Blackstone]

So ...

Rhino =

?

Rhinos may cost about double now, however, the points cost of the average game is expected to be 2,000 points now, going into 8th.

Also, to say it, the big hitting and high damage weapons might tear through most troops still, as well.

I personally wonder what the Rhino will look like in the first SM of any sort Codex. Until then, however, on paper, Rhinos remain just as useful as before, and, due to the change in the way vehicles now interact with the rules, I'd say the humble Rhino is somewhere, in theory, between twice to five times more reliable than ever, because of its stats in 8th.

Yes, the Rhino is not always ideal, depending upon the mission one is playing; however, in an all-rounder style list, I don't see anything wrong with a solid, trustworthy and worthwhile steed of steel such as the Rhino as being a weakness in one's list for taking as many as one likes these days.

8th is going to be very much about the tactics one uses to try and win, or, just have fun.

The Rhino is simply better, now; it's still a worthy transport, it just got a whole lot more survivable, long term, to me, at least.

[Irbis]

 

Yes, the Rhino is not always ideal, depending upon the mission one is playing; however, in an all-rounder style list, I don't see anything wrong with a solid, trustworthy and worthwhile steed of steel such as the Rhino as being a weakness in one's list for taking as many as one likes these days.

 

There is one thing wrong - it's not Razorback. Besides the ability to carry 4 more guys, Razorback beats Rhino on all fronts having access to some of the best and cheapest SM guns on pretty durable platform, 2x asscan Razorback easily outperforms tactical/devastator squads (besides a handful of specialized loadouts) and is one of the best anti-horde units in SM book...

[biglou666]

I intend on kitbashing a rhino primaris to try out. You no longer have to take it with the excelsior land raider, and Its only 30 points more than a standard rhino. The servo skull can heal a guaranteed wound from itself each turn (amongst other things), and comes with an orbital bombardment. Seems like really good value to me.

[Snook]

Well there are people that just use those miniatures they like ya know ;)