Lord Kallozar Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Can a Khorne daemon engine such as a greater brass scorpion or blood slaughterer be used in an undivided warband such as the word bearers or iron warriors? I am asking this from a fluff perspective and gaming perspective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Fluff perspective yes, neither the word bearers or iron warriors have any issue using demon stuff. Khorne works especially for Iron Warriors as in editions past that was the only mark they could make use of. Rules perspective yes, faction keywords AFAIK dont have to be the exact same from unit entry to unit entry but must share at least one to be a Battle forged army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4780831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 From gaming perspective without a problem. Fluff perspective it's up to you and what kind of Word Bearer/Iron Warrior warband you want to play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4780838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kallozar Posted June 12, 2017 Author Share Posted June 12, 2017 Thanks for the replies. So how would it work fluff wise for an undivided warband to acquire Khorne engines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4780851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Thanks for the replies. So how would it work fluff wise for an undivided warband to acquire Khorne engines? Go to their friendly neighborhood Dark Mechanicum and ask for one? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4780861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lay Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Imperial Armour 13 has an image of a Brass Scorpion in the colors of the Bleak Brotherhood, a warband that doesn't seem to be aligned with Khorne: "Greater Brass Scorpion (...) Thought to have been summoned into the material realm by a cabal of Sorcerers, Dark Apostles and Warpsmiths of the renegade Bleak Brotherhood." - pg.110 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4780905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Undivided is a concept that is meant represent the coming together of the various servants of Chaos, both Marked and Unmarked. So even if your army was mostly Unmarked, it wouldn't be weird or random to suddenly have Marked daemon engines, warriors, etc. Even if it's only one Mark, like say Khorne Daemon engines. That's the primary difference between Space Marines and Chaos Marines: where it would be weird for Loyalists to mix their forces without a good reason, the only reason CSM need is a whim. A charismatic leader, brutal warlord, oaths of honor and allegiance, common enemy, etc. Heck, if two leaders had dreams that they need to ally their warbands would be would be good enough. In the case of your warband, maybe they decided brass scorpions are more effective than Maulerfiends. Or something else. As for obtaining them, as suggested earlier, they could purchase them from a dark mechanicum force. They could also build them themselves. Maybe they found an old abandoned daemon forge that was overrun with rampant daemon engines. etc The great thing about Chaos is that you can pick an idea and run with it and it can literally be as random as you found a daemon engine growing tree. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4780916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Dicko Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 "The great thing about Chaos is that you can pick an idea and run with it and it can literally be as random as you found a daemon engine growing tree." I'm really liking the idea of a daemon engine tree as a piece of terrain. Can anyone recommend a link to cool daemonworld terrain? Back on topic, I would say especially with someone like Word Bearers, you can pick and choose at will what daemon engines you have, just as you would summon the whatever daemons you happen to like/own, it all comes down to the whims of the sorcerer/lord/whatever visions the dark apostle is following. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4780974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Shumway Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 In thing to keep in mind, when GW finally releases a codex, unaligned legions might be getting restrictions similar to what we saw in Traitor's Hate. In fact, based on the units not allowed in Death Guard, And Thousand Sons armies, I would bet that will be the case. That worries my Night Lords, but I can always run them as a former Night Lords Army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4781070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I see that as... unlikely. The cult legions are getting restricted to cult marines. No similar restriction makes any sort of sense for non-cult legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4781118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Shumway Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 It might not make sense to you but GW seemed to think it did with our very last book that defined the legions. AL, NL, and IW couldn't take marks and WB were restricted to units without prebought marks so there is quite recent precedent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4781180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 They do it in AOS a lot especially using faction keywords to restrict the choices to gain the faction benefits, troops etc so most likely they will do the sam in 40k once actual faction books start coming out so if you want legion rules etc you will have to stick with the restrictions just to get all the special rules, artefacts etc otherwise your army won't benefit from them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4781192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kallozar Posted June 13, 2017 Author Share Posted June 13, 2017 So what if you had a DIY undivided warband? What would happen then in terms of the legion keywords and using Khorne daemon engines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4781460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 So what if you had a DIY undivided warband? What would happen then in terms of the legion keywords and using Khorne daemon engines? The Lord of Skulls has the <LEGION> keyword, so you can give it to any Legion (other than DG and TS) you want, at this stage. So if you have a DIY undivided warband called The Guys Who Like All Of Chaos, you could give that keyword* to a Lord of Skulls if you wanted. * Funnily enough, I can't find anything that specifies what keywords can or can't be used, other than not being allowed to use "Fallen" as a keyword. I wonder what happens if you name your Legion something silly, like "Daemon" (to take advantage of anything that affects units with the Daemon keyword) or, worse, "Imperium" (to allow you to take anything from the Imperium in the same army)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4781482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 They do it in AOS a lot especially using faction keywords to restrict the choices to gain the faction benefits, troops etc so most likely they will do the sam in 40k once actual faction books start coming out so if you want legion rules etc you will have to stick with the restrictions just to get all the special rules, artefacts etc otherwise your army won't benefit from them The thing is, the undivided legions aren't different factions, but rather subfactions. flavors of the same units, in a way that the cult legions frequently just aren't. Your choice of sigmarine chapter doesn't restrict you to particular units, for instance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4781771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 So what if you had a DIY undivided warband? What would happen then in terms of the legion keywords and using Khorne daemon engines? The Lord of Skulls has the <LEGION> keyword, so you can give it to any Legion (other than DG and TS) you want, at this stage. So if you have a DIY undivided warband called The Guys Who Like All Of Chaos, you could give that keyword* to a Lord of Skulls if you wanted. * Funnily enough, I can't find anything that specifies what keywords can or can't be used, other than not being allowed to use "Fallen" as a keyword. I wonder what happens if you name your Legion something silly, like "Daemon" (to take advantage of anything that affects units with the Daemon keyword) or, worse, "Imperium" (to allow you to take anything from the Imperium in the same army)? GW already said that the faction keywords don't work like that on Facebook and on Twitch they additionally said (because people keep asking) that it doesn't work because that unit would lack the other faction keywords. So if you name your Possessed <Dark Angels> they would actually be <Chaos> <Heretic Astartes> <Dark Angels> and couldn't be played in the same army as <Imperium> <Adeptus Astartes> <Dark Angels>. Seems like faction keywords get added to each other instead of just "choosing" one to use. They do it in AOS a lot especially using faction keywords to restrict the choices to gain the faction benefits, troops etc so most likely they will do the sam in 40k once actual faction books start coming out so if you want legion rules etc you will have to stick with the restrictions just to get all the special rules, artefacts etc otherwise your army won't benefit from them The thing is, the undivided legions aren't different factions, but rather subfactions. flavors of the same units, in a way that the cult legions frequently just aren't. Your choice of sigmarine chapter doesn't restrict you to particular units, for instance. They aren't yet. Who knows what GW might do if they decide to release a Night Lords Codex or Word Bearer Codex at some point in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4781842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 It is extremely unlikely that either of those things will ever get separate codeces. Not impossible, but if your hopes for chaos are founded on that expectation, you're deliberately setting yourself up for disappointment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4781878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Probably. I only REALLY care about Emperor's Children....and World Eater I guess so that the 4 god specific Legions all got their special stuff. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/334628-a-question-about-khorne-daemon-engines/#findComment-4781910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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