probably a really simple question about death guard

[Demonic95]

sorry for what is probably a unbelievably obvious question..

 

but i gather death guard can take daemons in their detachment, like not to summon but to start the game with (aka if i chose deathguard and a battallion detachment could i say take my hq as typhus, and then my troops choices as plaguebearers etc)

 

thanks for answers in advance :P  

[TempestBlade]

Yup they both share the Chaos keyword so u can. You can take any kind of daemon too not just nurgle one tho nurgle would be the most fluffy

[Panzer]

Just keep in mind that it technically is no "Death Guard" army anymore then but rather a "Nurgle" army (if you only take Nurgle Daemons) or a "Chaos" army. Makes not much of a difference atm but that'll change once they start releasing the Codices.

[Vanger]

If I remember it correctly, the only rule the Death Guard have is that for them Plague Marines are troops for them instead of elites.

 

So if you can live with PM as elites than you can do such a list and don't even have to take into consideration the limits of a DG army list.

[Heliomanes]

Not a problem. You can still use Death Guard Plague Marines as troops and have plaguebearers in the same detachment as them - the plaguebearers just won't benefit from the command auras from Deathguard HQs because they are legion specific.

[Closet Skeleton]

Not a problem. You can still use Death Guard Plague Marines as troops and have plaguebearers in the same detachment as them - the plaguebearers just won't benefit from the command auras from Deathguard HQs because they are legion specific.

You sure about that?

 

I'd assume that plague marines as troops is tied to the Deathguard faction, not the nurgle one. Otherwise you could have Deathguard Plague Marines as troops in any Chaos army.

[Panzer]

I'd assume that plague marines as troops is tied to the Deathguard faction, not the nurgle one. Otherwise you could have Deathguard Plague Marines as troops in any Chaos army.

 

That's the case tho. Unless you really want some Plague Marines with a different Legion keyword (custom chapter or Black Legion or whatever), there is currently no reason to not just play a <Chaos> army and take the best of everything.

Things will change once GW starts releasing different Codices, but right now the system is very open with little drawbacks - or rather little boni by limiting yourself.

[Sception]

Your army must share a 'faction' keyword.  Death Guard is a faction keyword, so you can field a 'Death Guard' faction army, but such an army would not include any daemons.  You could summon daemons via reserve points, but not include them as purchased units in your detachments.  You also can't field some Heretic Astartes stuff even if it can be Nurgle aligned.  For instance, Heldrakes can't have the Death Guard legion keyword, I guess because GW wanted to push their legion-specific blight drones.

 

However, all Death Guard units also have the 'Heretic Astartes' keyword, so instead of fielding a 'Death Guard' army, you could instead field a 'Heretic Astartes' army, including mostly Death Guard units, but also a couple non-DG nurgle CSM units like nurgle drakes and mark of nurgle generic terminators.  Such an army still couldn't include Nurgle Daemons as deployed units, though.  It could also include non-nurgle stuff like Berzerkers.  Not that you would, mind, but you could.

 

However, all nurgle-aligned Heretic Astartes units, Death Guard or otherwise, also have the 'Nurgle' keyword, a keyword shared by Nurgle Daemons.  Instead of fielding a 'Death Guard' army, you could field a 'Nurgle' army, which includes both nurgle-marked Heretic Astartes units, including Death Guard stuff, and Nurgle Daemon units.  This 'Nurgle' army could still include non-Death Guard Heretic Astartes with the Nurgle keyword, such as generic chaos terminators with the Mark of Nurgle, or mark of Nurgle Heldrakes, or even Abaddon himself.  Not that you would take Abaddon, thematically, but again, you could.

 

All of these units, both mortal and daemonic, also have the 'Chaos' keyword, a keyword shared by all Chaos units.  Instead of fielding a 'Death Guard' or 'Heretic Astartes' or 'Nurgle' army, you could field a 'Chaos' army.  This would allow you to field all of the units previously mentioned plus non-astartes, non-daemonic, non-alignable Chaos units, which seems like something you wouldn't want to do based on the theme you're aiming for, but there are some unalignable units you might want to make an exception for, such as a Renegade Knight.

 

Right now, there are no special advantages for choosing to base your army on a more restrictive faction keyword.  Choosing to field a 'Nurgle' or 'Heretic Astartes' or 'Death Guard' army, instead of just a 'Chaos' army that leans heavily on Death Guard units, is a restriction without any benefit.  As far as I can tell, Plague Marines being troops isn't restricted to armies that have the Death Guard faction, but rather to plague marines that do.  ie, EDIT: Plague Marines (thank you Panzer) with the Black Legion faction keyword are elites, but plague marines with the Death Guard keyword are troops, even if you include them in a generic chaos marine army that otherwise is mostly Black Legion units.  The only downside is that they wouldn't gain the bonuses from Black Legion chaos lords or the like.

 

Perhaps in the future there will be added advantages for sticking to more restrictive keywords, whether for individual detachments or for entire armies.  Such are expected once the codeces start appearing.  But in the mean time, there is no reason not to just declare your army as following the 'Chaos' faction keyword, and just fielding whatever units you want, based on what you want to play with or what you personally feel fits your army's fluff.

[Ashe Darke]

 

boni

I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows the true plural of bonus. Also...

 

little boni

[Panzer]

Chaos Marines with the Black Legion faction keyword are elites, but plague marines with the Death Guard keyword are troops, even if you include them in a generic chaos marine army that otherwise is mostly Black Legion units.

*Plague Marines with the Black Legion faction keyword... 

 

I know that's what you wanted to say, but still. :P

 

 

boni

I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows the true plural of bonus. Also...

 

little boni

 

Can't tell if "little boni" is right or wrong. Maybe you want to explain what you mean? :D

[Ashe Darke]

I felt it was worth singling out, it might have passed by otherwise.

[Panzer]

I felt it was worth singling out, it might have passed by otherwise.

Yeah but for what reason? Good? Bad? Just quoting some random part of a sentence without explanation really doesn't tell anything. :D

[Ashe Darke]

It's all good. I think we all understand why little boni is funny, we're all or mostly men here.

[Sception]

[Panzer]

It's all good. I think we all understand why little boni is funny, we're all or mostly men here.

As I tried to tell you...no we don't all understand why you apparently find it funny.

Or even that you find it funny in the first place.

[Ashe Darke]

@Malisteen

It's a running joke at my work that the plural of bonus is boni, I'd assumed that sfPanzer had also done the same. I don't actually believe it to be true, but given that they had said 'boni' I figured they would have found my reference to it being the 'true' spelling funny.

@sfPanzer

Too each their own.

Anyway, enough digression.

[Panzer]

No that's actually because i'm obviously no native speaker and the plural is actually bonus, bonusse or boni in german.

[Xenith]

Your army must share a 'faction' keyword.  Death Guard is a faction keyword, so you can field a 'Death Guard' faction army, but such an army would not include any daemons. 

 

EDIT: Large chunks of text due to misreading.

 

 

 

When the codexes are released, I expect armies will get bonus command points based on the number of shared keywords so:

 

CHAOS = Army made up of varying troops of gods = no bonus points

CHAOS + NURGLE = army made up of only chaotic nurgle units including death guard and nurgle daemons = 3 bonus command points

CHAOS + DAEMONS = army made up of only daemons of any god = 3 bonus CP

CHAOS + NURGLE + DEATHGUARD = Army made up of only death guard units, no daemons allowed = 6 bonus CP

CHAOS + NURGLE + DAEMONS = army made up of only nurgle daemons, no deathguard allowed = 6 CP.