FW Index Astartes

[Iron Lord]

So are the Ordo Hereticus and the Adepta Sororitas - doesn't stop the one having the other as its preferred choice for military operations.

[Bronze Beast in the Dark]

So are the Ordo Hereticus and the Adepta Sororitas - doesn't stop the one having the other as its preferred choice for military operations.

 

Im not sure what we are talking about anymore. Two organizations, and the work closely... never in dispute. No one said that they didn't prefer each other or work well with each other. The only point I was making in my post was that the Deathwatch is not a part of the Ordo Xenos and is an entity of its own.

Edited July 2, 2017 by Ashriel

[Iron Lord]

The idea is that the term "chamber militant" still has use - even if the three "Chamber Militant" organizations aren't technically part of the Inquisition, they work with it so closely, that the term still works.

[Irbis]

The idea is that the term "chamber militant" still has use - even if the three "Chamber Militant" organizations aren't technically part of the Inquisition, they work with it so closely, that the term still works.

 

Eh, to me, "chamber militant" kind of suggests it's subservient unit doing Inquisition's bidding, when in all three cases, it's anything but, and the term itself is remnant of the third edition. Poorly thought out remnant, I might add, while GK and DW do have common interests with their Ordos, the Sisters have only tangential connection to Hereticus...

[Bronze Beast in the Dark]

I can't find the term chamber militant in our Codex. Maybe someone with an e-version can do a search. It just seems like an outdated concept currently. Especially now that we have a completely separate Codex, we aren't even in the same book as the Inquisition.

[Kargrym]

I can't find the term chamber militant in our Codex. Maybe someone with an e-version can do a search. It just seems like an outdated concept currently. Especially now that we have a completely separate Codex, we aren't even in the same book as the Inquisition.

 

I did the search you were looking for. The word Chamber and Militant, are not in the codex. Order Xenos is in there however it only states that they are one of the Deathwatch formost allies like the picture posted earlier.

[Iron Lord]

I think in the last book of The Beast Arises (The Beheading) - the de facto leader of the Inquisition uses the term for the Grey Knights, and proposes that the Inquisition be split into Ordo Malleus and Ordo Xenos, with the Deathwatch and Grey Knights playing those roles for each Ordo - but I'm not sure exactly how it was worded.

[Vel'Cona]

What does any of this have to do with the FW Index discussion?

[Bronze Beast in the Dark]

The branching out began as a discussion of whether or not the Desthwatch was a Space Marine Chapter or not. That would help in determining rules as intended versus rules as written status of the Deathwatch and how easy it is to justify the use of Space Marine vehicles from the index as it relates to the fluff of the chapter until we have an official answer.

[Iron Lord]

Based on the way they were in FFG - I would not be complaining at all if I faced Deathwatch with FW vehicles - I'd see it as reasonably fluffy.

 

If anything, GW Deathwatch is severely lacking in war materiel when compared to FFG Deathwatch - and giving them FW vehicles would partially, though not completely, rectify that.

[Vel'Cona]

I've always found "I'll just take FW" as a poor excuse for bad army design on GW's part or simple laziness on the player's part.  While the mindset of modern 40k players seems to be "Forgeworld is a-OK", locally it's a touchy subject because $150+ models to carry an army list smacks of "pay-to-win" a la some online freemium video games.  Now, this is OFC a personal and local playerbase opinion of sorts and certainly not that of GW, FW or the majority of 40k players at this point, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

In either case, RAW doesn't convince me that Deathwatch or indeed any non-codex compliant chapters have access to FW stuff, though I suppose the intent is heavily implied because FW wants to sell models.  Though the ridiculously unbalanced rules they sell (Tarantula Sentry Gun?  Really???) is proof enough of that central tenet in either case.

[Bronze Beast in the Dark]

I love the Land Raider Achilles model. I want to have one in my army without having to just paint it in a DW scheme and bring it in through some sort of allied method.

 

I agree that RAW, this won't be happening. So I simply wait for clarification from FW.

[Mobius0288]

Hey guys, FW FAQ is out.

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/09/forge-world-faq-july9gw-homepage-post-4/

 

So far, at a glance, Deathwatch was called out and still does not get any Forgeworld items for its army.

 

 

 

Q. Are there any restrictions on which Chapter I can choose when replacing the Faction keyword on datasheets within this book?
A. Yes. You cannot choose for any of these units to be from the Legion of the Damned, Grey Knights or Deathwatch Chapters. They can be from any other Chapter though, including Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves.

 

Um... Imperium faction detachments ftw?

[Irbis]

You know, I really find the fact after that lying FW poster "teaser" DW got access to Codex-like primaris units before getting any to FW stuff despite having them in fluff...

[Iron Lord]

If one wants to replicate FFG Deathwatch, one could always use their models (except for the few with Deathwatch-Only weaponry) - and call them the Silverarm Chapter- but use standard Marine rules. Sternguard, for example, are still a bit Deathwatch-ish.

 

Some FFG Deathwatch even wore Scout armour and used Land Speeder Storms.

 

It's a kludge - but at the moment it seems truer to the fluff, than the current Deathwatch rules are.

[shandwen]

Being that DW is my main army, and FW ignored them completely and ran wild with poor rules and massive typos, I doubt I will buy anything else from FW for a very long time. (They could have at least thrown us mortis dreads)

[sockwithaticket]

Being that DW is my main army, and FW ignored them completely and ran wild with poor rules and massive typos, I doubt I will buy anything else from FW for a very long time. (They could have at least thrown us mortis dreads)

I'm building a Mortis at the moment and I've already built and painted a quad-heavy bolter Rapier. 

 

Oh well, when I first started my Deathwatch there were no rules and I was building them as Sternguard-heavy regular marines with Imperial Fists' or Raptors' chapter tactics in mind. Guess I'll have to go back to that idea.

[Vel'Cona]

While I appreciate the "Imperium faction" fall-back for this Index FAQ ruling (no Deathwatch Chapter for FW units), it's still a bit naff since there won't be any opportunity for overlapping buffs that other chapters can enjoy.  Just seems like a completely missed opportunity on FW's part, especially given how much they're striving to push sales by overbuffing/undercosting their units for 8th edition. 

[exsanguis]

Hey guys.

 

What's everyone's thoughts on air support? I love Vendetta's, but have been turned off them after reading how annoying the 5+ to hit is, unless you hover (in which case, it gets focus fired big time).

 

A cheaper option seems to be the Vulture with 2x Hellstrike Missiles and a Twin Autocannon. Including the in-built Heavy Bolter this is only 185 points compared to the Vendetta, which is 230. The Vulture gets +1 to hit against non-FLY targets, meaning it's generally wrecking stuff on the ground with a 3+ to hit. Given that the Hellstrike's are not one use only now, I figure they're just as damaging as the Twin Lascannon's on the Vendetta as it doesn't need to hover.

[Vel'Cona]

Corvus Blackstar? 

 

I mean, while the other flyers have neat-o rules and can be shoehorned in as needed, the Corvus actually benefits from faction buffs (Captain, Watch Master, etc.) and performs the dual-role of Kill Team delivery (with excellent transport capacity) and air support.  It can be kitted to handle masses of infantry or armour with equal ease and is about as durable as a Storm Raven, one of the premiere flyers in 40k right now.  I'd say that's our go-to for the moment unless you need an extremely specific support piece, such as pure AA with the Xiphon or pure ground support with the Vulture.

[Petitioner's City]

It got changed - woohoo, we can take anything. So what vehicles or rapiers will you get?

[sockwithaticket]

WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

My Heavy Bolter Rapier and soon to be completed Mortis Dread are now legal.

[Ordo Xenos Inquisitor]

Now the options are limitless.  That being said, it's still sad that they have no more Lucius Drop Pods to sell. Guess I'd have to buy a regular drop pod to proxy with. 

Edited July 15, 2017 by Ordo Xenos Inquisitor

[Irbis]

It got changed - woohoo, we can take anything. So what vehicles or rapiers will you get?

 

Nothing. My enthusiasm died down after a year of unfulfilled promises

 

Plus, there is always the issue it's flip-flop FAQ to an Index book. I am weirdly sure come 'real' FW books, they will drastically cut the DW access again...

[Mobius0288]

Well these FAQs typically update the electronic versions of these books right? So it should be official. And I highly doubt FW is gonna make anymore books, chapter specific books in particular.

 

Now I can finish my deredeo and leviathan dreadnaughts and start figuring out if I want that fellblade I always wanted.