CrimsonReign Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 from briefly reading over the rules "true fliers" (by which I mean the flying vehicles from 7th) have an additional rule called airborne this exempts them from being in melee with ground troops (which makes sense) and hovering cancels this for a turn (from looking at the deathwatch flier) however, something i noticed, is that the Heldrake lacks all the characteristics found on these fliers such as: -minimum movement -airborne -hard to hit so heldrakes are now skimmers?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrexPushups Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Heldrakes are terrifying daemon dragons made of metal and hate. Easier to hit but they will happily jump on your tank and eat the turret. Trevak Dal, sanityimpaired, Brother Aiwass and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4789048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I would say yes. And the same is true for the good ole blight drone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4789049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammel Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) Heldrakes could always hover, to my knowledge, which is what I'm guessing the lack of a minimum move partially represents. Edited June 19, 2017 by Scammel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4789061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Yes, Heldrakes are effectively very fast skimmers now, a change I mostly approve of for the reasons Trex mentions. However, as a flier unit type / battlefield role you can use it with the advanced rules for fliers if you're using those. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4789070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Also, there are real <airborne> units in the chaos FW book if you want them. Fire raptor, stormeagle, xiphon, hell blade, hell talon... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4789110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Heldrakes are terrifying daemon dragons made of metal and hate. Easier to hit but they will happily jump on your tank and eat the turret. After moving 30 inches and flaming something. Hellex_The_Thanatar and Kierdale 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4789740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 They are truely less than an airplane then demonic flying cyborg. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4789950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Heldrakes are terrifying daemon dragons made of metal and hate. Easier to hit but they will happily jump on your tank and eat the turret. I know, I so want to buy the New Khârn model and convert my helturkey to have him riding it. Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4791499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 If you want a distinctive & less turkeyish design, try getting one Heldrake and one Vampire Counts Zombie Dragon instead of two drakes, then cobble the pieces from the two kits together to make two weird independent designs. Spare bits from a fiend also help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4791800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scammel Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Heck, I'd go one further and suggest using the Dragon wholesale. I was considering using a Phoenix in my Sons force before 8th hit, but now there's little-to-no mechanical distinction between vehicles and creatures I might pick up a 'vehicular' menagerie. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4791832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I suppose you could. I like to keep a bit more 'engine' in my daemon engines, but that's just a personal preference. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4791837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I'm actually in the process of amalgamating a High Elf dragon and a Heldrake. Some of the parts went missing so it's on the hold, though, until I can find, you know, the other frickin' wing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4791903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Heldrakes are terrifying daemon dragons made of metal and hate. Easier to hit but they will happily jump on your tank and eat the turret. I know, I so want to buy the New Khârn model and convert my helturkey to have him riding it. Or just airbrush that onto the side of the WE Land Raider that you plan to use as his transport. Complete with metallics and sparkles. :) TrexPushups 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/335189-heldrakes-fly-and-the-lack-of-airborne/#findComment-4791910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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